The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo (2011)

BTW - The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo

Whitey: [00:00:00] I like many thought that the 2011 David Fincher version of The Girl with the Dragon tattoo was a waste of time after all the Swedish version of the movie was released two years before in 2009, and the books had only been released in English in 2008. Was there a need for this? Probably not. Am I glad it was made?

Absolutely. The story of Mikel and Elizabeth on the hunt for Harriet Vanger took the world by storm, but the only sad thing is that the two English language sequels never made it to the big screen. There's something about Scandy murder thrillers that seems to hit a little bit different and I, for one, can't get enough of them joining me tonight in the snowy misery that is head of Stu Gee man.

Hi.

Gow: Great to be back. Yeah, to, it looks like a cold old place man. Morgan's spent a bit of time in the cold [00:01:00] like that. I'll tell you, it's been,

Dan: do we, I was trying to think. Gee, did we ever go ahead and start? I can't remember 'cause it was the nineties and I didn't do a lot of remembering, but it feels like, yeah, no, we were, we were all

Gow: over the place.

Dan: You would've done well in Sweden. I can remember there was, I dunno, I think, I

Whitey: think Ga ga went to head a job.

Dan: He got, he got plenty ahead of jobs, that's for sure. Oh, the, quite a few

Whitey: times.

Dan: Quite a few times. It was, it was my 17th wedding anniversary through the week and I showed you a photo of where my wife stole my youth where, or alternatively where, wow. A fairly hot bird married a very butter eating fucking potato gems love and garlic bread smashing fat girl.

But I just remember, I remember G back in the day and Jesus, he was a handsome cat. Like it was very difficult for him not to root a 10 pretty much every night on the travels. He was, uh, he was.

Gow: I know, I know. That's [00:02:00] your, I know it's your wedding anniversary, 17 years, but it's very bittersweet for a lot of us because it's obviously very happy for you.

But our great mate. Fat morgues. Fat morgues. We don't see him anymore. It's been, it's been a long time. Been he died on

Dan: that day's been he pretty much, that's, I remember that was, yeah, he, that was the, he was working up for that day, so he got his wedding rig on and yeah, it kind of just stayed for 17 years.

So that was, uh, that was impressive. But yeah, looking back at the very few photos of me that two exist from, uh, from the naughties and the nineties, there was definitely a, uh, as Benny Manion called me, a skinny fat cunt, um, lurking, lurking skinny in the, uh, all the places that shouldn't be skinny and fat everywhere else,

Whitey: a a, a diet that consists of lettuce and condensation, uh, is, is gonna give it to you.

Dan: Yeah, I'd, it's, uh, I've definitely enjoyed the Easter time though. I mean, Jesus died for our sins, so we could eat chocolate bunnies from Cadbury. And I've, I've been giving 'em a good go. I, I [00:03:00] know that one of my mental disintegration methods when we were young was keeping an Easter egg for months and months and months and months and months and months on end.

Just to annoy you two, which is always good fun.

Whitey: I, I still, I can still recall, I'm still annoyed by it. I'm still, I can still recall the big, the big gold egg, big

Dan: purple, big gold, big purple egg.

Gow: And the thing died.

Whitey: Yeah.

Gow: Like it wilted

Whitey: into It turned white. It turned white.

Dan: It just used to wind you both up so much.

It was worth every bit.

Whitey: Yeah. Anyway, we don't need to introduce the other Dr. Yeah. That is tonight. That's Dan.

Dan: Good

Whitey: to be back. And it was interesting during the week. I did a little bit of research into the amount of words spoken per episode.

Dan: Oh, that's Eddie. Oh, ai. There you go.

Whitey: Because you know, even though I do speak a lot, me being the main host of the show and the driver of [00:04:00] this, and

Dan: if we had a, if we had a sound, sound bite to sting or something, now it would probably go something like this lick at himself out.

Whitey: Possibly. It may do that.

Gow: He's already, he's actually already started this with, I'm gonna lick myself out.

Whitey: No, no, no. I've done that, that about the, um, before. But I, I did some research on, on the amount of stuff spoken, and it's some interesting feedback I got from my mate cloud. Uh, and he says that whilst I definitely speak the most, around 44% of the words spoken, uh, from me per, that's my, I

Dan: would, I would've said 74%.

Whitey: Yeah. Well, what's funny though is that Dan tends to speak a lot and really way more than any other host that we have on this show at around 38 to 39% is Dan. Oh. What Cloud actually told me was that [00:05:00] Dan likes to talk and a lot about himself.

Dan: That's I think cloud. I wouldn't like to, I wouldn't argue with you mate, cloud on that one.

Whitey: I

think

Whitey: that that, and he made, and the assertion was also made that he's a fan favorite and probably the funniest of the group.

Dan: Yes. Well, I mean, I think that cloud is batting a thousand on all of, all of his input there.

So well done Cloud

Gow: if, if you are talking 44% of the time and he's 38% of the time, said, what am I? Yeah,

Whitey: you're the rest. You are the rest.

Gow: I like Richie Benno, just

Whitey: you and you and Damo when it's, now, when it was the, the one that we did, I think there's one that throws it way outta whack, which was terminated too when it's the four of us and Dan like just took over effectively.

I think I, I think I had a few. Shes that night. I was definitely, yeah. Yeah. I think it had, I was hyped up and when we did the Bourne [00:06:00] Identity when it was three of us with Willer Workie, Dan knows he has to step up a bit when we've got a work experience kid in the studio. And so I can sort of forgive him for that.

Uh, but look, I'm just saying it's, I think that I get a. A real bad rap for talking too much. But effectively I speak 6% more per episode than what

Dan: dad does. Let's, let's throw it out to the people. Let's get, uh, let's get some of the mainstays, let's get chopper, maybe mad beek, maybe the perp with their hot voice just to tell us what they think about who Gibbs on endlessly and who provides incredible insight as well as humorous asides about mean and the g and our travels.

Gow: But, and I reckon, I, I think I've just stepped my game up there. I'm gonna have to, I think you do again, I

Dan: reckon, I reckon Dial it back, dial back a bit. I reckon

Whitey: we're, of course, we're of course born to watch the movie podcast more. We don't take ourselves or the [00:07:00] movies too seriously, unless Of course it is the snobs report, which we won't be having to know it because Dam No is not with us.

Our, uh, ginger Merkin friend is having to turn off. Yeah. Uh, the first casualty of the petrol war, uh, here on Born to Watch, uh, overs and unders gents. 2011 movie, 15 years old this year, it's, it's actually, that's gone so fast. Uh, I've been conservative, probably not conservative, but seven. I think it's quite a re watchable film, even though it's rather dark.

G Man, do you remember the first time seeing this and overs and unders of seven?

Gow: Well, Damon's not here in person, but he's here in spirit.

Whitey: Oh, okay.

Gow: Oh, I'm a one watch.

Whitey: Wow.

Gow: Now you can, you can maybe go to two. 'cause Chrissy and I tried to watch it a few years ago and we started watching it when it first came out back and she was not a fan of, um, this

Whitey: would not be a Chrisy

Gow: of Rooney Mara.

[00:08:00] Really? Yeah. She was not a fan and just didn't like her in that, in that, um, in that role. Yes. And so we turned it off. Had she

Whitey: seen the Swedish version?

Gow: I don't think so.

Whitey: Okay.

Gow: Um, and I hadn't, I'd read, I'd read St. Glassman's book when it first came out, so I was all over the book, so, um, I kind of knew it, but actually having watched it again 'cause it so long ago that I had to relearn it all.

So it was really good, um, to, to do that.

Whitey: Okay. So one watch, well done. One watch. Uh, Dan what about you? First time seeing it overs and unders?

Dan: First of all, I can't believe 2011 is 15 years ago. That's fucked, fucked up, scary. Um, but you actually tipped me into this movie not that long ago, so I be unders as well and you made me watch it and I have seen it a few times since under seven, but, uh, it was definitely your recommendation and it was a good one.

Whitey: Yeah. Uh, I'm overs of seven. This is a bit of a guilty pleasure for me. I think this is one where you can just have it on in the background. You can pick it up. There's always something going on. I'd be probably 12, [00:09:00] 13 times. Uh, didn't see it in the cinema. Megan came home, she went and saw it with a girlfriend of hers, went to the cinema and saw it and came home and goes, oh my God.

The start of the movie is so amazing. It's the best title secret.

Dan: Oh, the title set, the opening. I, I tend to agree is even for Fincher, it's very, very good.

Whitey: Yeah. And we'll talk a bit about that further on, but I think that she's not wrong. And I didn't see the movies. I waited, I I was Are you

Gow: talking about the opening credits?

Whitey: All the black? Yeah. Yeah. The Nightmare. The Nightmare. So I didn't see it at the cinema. I was in the video shop at that time, so I didn't get to the movies heaps. And that was when I waited until it came out. And I'm spewing. I didn't see it in the cinema because I think it would've been amazing.

Trailer: Uh,

Whitey: gee man, why don't you tell us about The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo?

Gow: What is hidden in Snow comes forth in the T Thor. Ooh,

Dan: that's enough. Gee, that's enough. That's I reckon

Gow: disgrace journalist [00:10:00] quel blot. You percentage accept an invitation to surreptitiously investigate a 40-year-old unsold murder on behalf of the victim's Uncle Swedish industrialist, Hendrick Vanger.

Meanwhile, tattooed hacker, Elizabeth Lander hired to investigate Blomquist discovers the truth behind the conspiracy that led to his fall from Grace thrown together by fate, the unlikely duo uncovers a secret history of murder and sexual abuse festering beneath the veneer of Sweden's industrial past, all the while drawing close to a quiet evil, waiting to engulf them both.

Whitey: Yep. Could be the worst family in the history of families. Yeah, this family pretty bad. The gers, uh, yeah. Ahead of their time for rich industrialists. Mm. But anyway, let's watch the trailer and I'm just gonna prep everyone. It's a long one.

Dan: Oh.

Whitey: Just like the movie,

Dan: like Girls Like Her.[00:11:00]

Trailer: She is one of the best investigators I have, but she's different. Uh, in what way? In every way. Something wrong with the report? Anything you chose not to disclose. She's clean, in my opinion. He's honest. Our credibility isn't dead yet. Mine is. He's had a longstanding sexual relationship with his co-editor of the magazine.

Sometimes he pleasures her. Not often enough in my opinion. No, you're right not to include that. I need your help. You come stay on the island a way of avoiding all those people you might want to avoid. Right now, you will be investigating Thieves, misers. Bullies, the most adjustable collection of people that you will ever meet.

My family, this is Harriet. Someone [00:12:00] in the family murdered Harriet and for the past 40 years has been trying to drive me insane.

Those are from her, the rest from her killer. You failed to adapt to four foster homes, arrested ties for intoxication, ties for assault. How many partners have you had in the last month and how many of those were. Man, I should have control of my money. And you will once you learn to be sociable. Why don't we start with me?

You know what to do. I can't find something you've been unable to find in 40 years. You don't know that. You have a very keen investigative mind. You were here that day, a terrible day searching. And finally, I'd never found a body. Was it spontaneous? Was it calculated? Did she know something someone wished she didn't?

The last time I reported on something without being absolutely sure, I lost my life saving. I [00:13:00] need a research assistant. I know an excellent one. She did the background Check on you. The what? You don't think we could hire just anyone for something like this? It's vis may I come in,

we need to talk. Hey, hey. Who do you think you are? Put some clothes on. Get rid of your girlfriend. Can I call you Elizabeth? I want you to help me catch a killer of women. I've got absolutely no idea of how they're connected to the death of a 16-year-old girl. Don't you need to look over these? I got it.

It's better to look at what I'm about to show you on the empty stomach. You doing reading notes? Very encrypted. Yes. Rape, torture, fire, animals, religion. Am I missing any? The names. I, they have some. Nobody likes people poking around in their lives. Everybody knows why you're here. Someone killed her.

Someone on the island that day. If a woman [00:14:00] approaches any beast and lies with it, you should kill the and the beast. These people insane. You'll know us all. Only

Whitey: it's too long.

Gow: I, I'm taking, I'm taking score off my movie for that later on. That's, uh, that's ridiculous. You're taking score the end. We're taking points off the end. Um, that gave away way too much of the movie.

Whitey: Yeah.

Gow: There's even scenes. They're showing you the dungeon room, like

Whitey: [00:15:00] Yeah. It's ridiculous.

Gow: It's crazy.

Talk about licking yourself out. That's Fincher. I reckon. Just going like,

Whitey: I, I, it concerns me that they thought that they had to create a trailer like that to drag people in.

Gow: You think

Whitey: that's why they've done

Gow: that? You've pretty much done the whole movie though, that you've got the whole storyline.

Whitey: Yeah, it's an official trailer too, because I, the, the, the reason I didn't go there, there was a shorter one.

The teaser trailer went for nearly two minutes, but it had immigrant song in it and we'd probably get banned, uh, for playing immigrant song for that long. Uh, but yeah, it's just, it's too much too, like Yeah. Keep the, the surprise that

Gow: was, that showed the whole the whole thing.

Whitey: Yeah. Crazy.

Gow: And even parts of the twist, like

Whitey: Yeah.

Yep. Okay. Critical thinking. IMDB rates The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo. 7.8 out of 10, uh, certified fresh, uh, 86% on the tomato meter and 86% popcorn meter. So there you go. So [00:16:00] IMDB equals 7.8. So movies we have reviewed that are 7.8 Tombstone, Ghostbusters Predator, Ferris Les. Remember the Titans, the Batman, the Breakfast Club, Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory.

The Fugitive. Misery, Sean of the Dead, rogue One, back to the Future Two, and The Born Identity.

Gow: Wow.

Whitey: It's a big list.

Gow: Good movies in there.

Whitey: It's in a good

Gow: group. I find it funny that Sean of the Dead rates up with some of those movies as well. Like that's, um, Sean

Whitey: First, first of its time, first of its type, I think.

Yeah. That zombie. That zombie.

Gow: Yeah.

Whitey: Zombie. Yeah. Uh, okay. Rotten Tomato, 86%. A much smaller group. Escape from New York, John Wick, and two thirds of a great movie. First Blood.

Dan: First Blood. Wow.

Whitey: Uh,

Dan: absolutely. Gee Ian, absolutely [00:17:00] incredible insights there from the review panel on that one. Stand by my, my pick.

Fuck you, Luke Nixon.

Whitey: Yeah. You, I tell you. Offended a few people. Well, two people anyway.

Dan: Mm.

Whitey: Uh, good or bad. Gee. Uh, let's go with Good, good Review.

30,

do

Dan: Back.

Whitey: He's Back and We do, he, he's fresh off selling a, a Meteor and, uh, James Bardelli from Real Views. This is what a movie adaptation should be. A film whose base narrative has its roots in the source material, but whose soul can be identified through the images that unfold on screen.

Dan: Mm. Good [00:18:00] insight there, James.

Whitey: Yeah. Looks

Gow: like 30 Bird.

Whitey: 30 liked it. Uh, bad review. Donald Clarke from the Irish Times. So we're going to going to Ireland. You been to Ireland, g?

Gow: Yeah, I've been there.

Whitey: Oh, you the world's greatest fart in Ireland.

Gow: Quite

Whitey: Mor.

Gow: Morgan's had some time. Had some,

Whitey: yeah, Mors had some, one of the songs. Pitton Mors.

Both Rooted Hot Birds, both rooted Irish birds that no one knows about.

Uh, wasn't really worse in effort.

Gow: Great song

Whitey: for all. Fincher's famously Fanatical Control. He can't dispel the stench of Heart Bake Half-Baked Cheese that hangs over the source material.

Dan: What?

Whitey: So I I've not read the book. I know you guys have. Yeah, both of you guys have, um, being [00:19:00] voracious readers and I'm not so much anymore, uh, in terms of an adaptation because this movie is pretty similar to the Swedish version, but actually covers the end of the movie is not in the Swedish version.

It sort of cuts off after the death

Gow: Yeah.

Whitey: Of Martin Vana and they solved the case. That's where it sort of cuts off the, is it good? Is it a good representation of the novel? Is the novel like a pulp cheesy novel or is it a No,

Gow: the novel? No,

Dan: not at

Whitey: all.

Gow: Awesome. This, to me, this is one of the hard bits of what I'd say is one of the one down bits is that the storyline is so, um, interwoven with all the family members.

Yes. It's very hard to tell in the movie. And even there's a, there's a funny point where, where um, says like, oh, I'm, I'm getting confused. And I was like, yeah, no shit. Everyone's confused. 'cause there's so many people book they can represent that obviously a lot easier than you can do just whipping, you know, whipping names out on the screen.

Whitey: Yes.

Gow: So [00:20:00] I, I think the book, the book was really, really good. I really enjoyed it and that's why I was like, when this came, I was like, I really wanna watch it.

Whitey: Yeah.

Gow: But I did. So I started to watch it and I was like, well. Movies are never as good as the book, especially if you've really liked the book. Yeah.

So I'd never got around to it.

Dan: Ga does. Can you remember, does Harriet, she ends up on a station in Australia. Am I, am I remembering that correctly? There's a slight deviation I think from Yeah, her being in London and swapping with Anita, which I think Steven Z and the, uh, the screenwriter brought to this adaptation.

But yeah, I, I vaguely remember that Harriet either ended up immigrating to Australia and running a station in the top end, which was a nice, really nice little, um, brushstroke for it. Uh, but obviously not represented in this feature. But other, other than that, most of the beats were pretty much lifted straight from the source material from what I remember.

Whitey: Yeah. Perfect.

Gow: Yeah, you're right Mor. Um, she's aided by a cousin Nita, who helps leave Sweden eventually settle in Australia under a new identity.

Dan: Mm, yeah, yeah. Which is cool.

Gow: She

Dan: marries. That's right. Yeah. The

Gow: name Spencer [00:21:00] Cochran.

Dan: And I think it's actually in the Swedish movies. It is, uh, it tastes true to that from memory as well, so, yeah.

Yeah. Interesting.

Whitey: Very good. Uh, gee man.

Ordinary

Gow: people. Okay. There's a bit of, a bit of a long cast in this one. It's touch base, it's a cracking cast. Um, Daniel Craig. Now you guys, I've never, I've never come across him before on Born to Watch. You guys may have, you've covered him in probably Skyfall or

Whitey: we haven't done any, we haven't done Daniel Craig.

Oh, we haven't.

Gow: Okay. I thought

Whitey: we done. This is our first stand. We haven't done any bonds. Royal

Gow: No. That

Whitey: we haven't

Gow: done any bonds at

Whitey: all. That's interesting.

Dan: Wow. Yeah.

Gow: I I thought you had one on, I knew I had

Whitey: bonds. Bonds are on the list for 2026.

Dan: He first came onto our radar as the, uh, the villain in the Power of One.

Whitey: Yes,

Gow: he did.

Dan: Just on the

Gow: Piss Cop. Yep.

Dan: Yeah.

Gow: Um, did a lot of, done a lot of, um, theater and acting like that. He's really well known. But he, after the, the Power of One, he is obviously quite young in that, but it was in LaCro Tomb Raider in 2001 and then wrote to Ion, and [00:22:00] then 2004 Layer Cake. So that's when he was nominated for his performance.

La Layer

Dan: Cake. That's

Gow: a, that's

Dan: a yearly

Gow: rewatch. It's pretty cool. Yeah. Great movie. Good fun. Uh, and then obviously he became the sixth actor to portray James Bond after that. He started in 2000. Oh, he finished, he did Munich in 2005, then started, um, bond in 2006. So look, all the past point acts. Sean Connery, Roger Moore, Tim Dalton Fierce President Hall indicated.

He's a great, he's a great, uh, where

Whitey: does he sit? Bond? Where does he sit in the bond? Echelon. Who's your favorite bond? G?

Gow: I dunno. I really liked Sean Connery when he was younger. I, I liked Roger Moore. It's hard to say. Um, piss Bron I always thought was good.

Whitey: Yep. Uh, Dan, who's your favorite bond?

Dan: I reckon it's Samuel Craig.

I, I really enjoy the modern takes. I think that the makes the old bonds look very hamfisted cheesy. What they've done with the, uh, that adaptation. We talked about it a bit in the Born Identity Potty if you haven't listened to it. But we think the, the, the Born led very much [00:23:00] into what the, uh, the, the, the, uh, the producers of the Bond film saw and went.

Yeah. I think that's our tone for the bonds moving forward. Yeah. I, I think Daniel Craig's probably been my favorite.

Whitey: I think, I think Daniel Craig is in two of the best bonds of all time in Casino, Royal Island, Skyfall Sky. I think there's, I, I, look, I grew up with, uh, Roger Moore.

Gow: Mm-hmm.

Whitey: And I still go back to watch.

He's got some fun bonds. Roger Moore. The view to view to kill's fun, like, uh, the Spy who Loved Me is great. Uh, he's got some great bonds, but I think I, I tend to agree with you, Dan. I think that Daniel Craig is probably my favorite bond. Mm. Uh, Skyfall is probably my favorite Bond movie now.

Dan: Yeah.

Whitey: I think it's, um, it's, it's pretty good.

Dan: Uh, even look, even the shit ones of the, the recent ones, he is done. They, they're only shitting comparison to the, the very good ones. Like they're still very watchable.

Whitey: Yeah. Well, quantum of Solace is not, but, but there's reasons for Quantum of Solace being so bad. Yeah. Which the second one, and the main reason for that is that it was done [00:24:00] during the rider strike.

Mm-hmm. And. They soldier it on. They didn't hold back, they didn't pause it. They soldier through it. And it is, it's inherent quantum of solace. Yeah. And it's a shame because after Casino Royale, which was incredible. Yeah. After such a long break, uh, and coming up with Casino Royale to then follow that up with Quantum of Solace was such a shame.

But the rest of them are, are really good. Like, I think Specter's okay. Uh, yeah. No time to die. He's pretty good. Although it's too long. Mm-hmm. Yeah. I think, uh, I think he's, he, overall he is pretty good, but he, um, he actually refused to,

Gow: to dye his hair. They wanted to dye his Hef to be blonde and he was like, no, blonde.

Whitey: I think he's great. He's so different to everyone else. Yeah. All the other bonds

Gow: plays his own way.

Whitey: Yeah. It's gonna be really interesting to see who they do cast as bond, the next bond, because I think they've got pretty substantial shoes to fill. Yeah.

Gow: Mm-hmm. I do like the Ris Elba

Whitey: that that's, he's too old now though.

No,

Gow: he's good.

Whitey: I would've loved He's got

Gow: the swag

Whitey: after. Oh mate. I would've loved to have seen Idris Elba. [00:25:00] That would've really turned it on its head that look. I just think there was that whole woke argument about being a female bond. And I think that this is not being me being sexist. This is not anything to do with that.

James Bond is a man and it's, he's a man that is set in a specific era with a specific mindset. And you can't have a woman come in and play James Bond. It would absolutely kill it.

Gow: Mm.

Whitey: It would just destroy the franchise. They won't do that, I don't think. But anyway.

Dan: No, I agree.

Whitey: Continue G.

Gow: Alright. Rooney Mara, um, she started in fringe with benefits, had a small role, 2009, uh, the Social Network the next year.

And then the Girl with the Dragon Tattoo, she's got an Oscar nom for this movie.

Whitey: Yeah, I think she's really good in this

Gow: movie. She's good. She fits it well. Um, and she was in another movie in 2015 called Carol with Kate. Kate b Blanchet and Sarah Paulson. Okay. Another Oscar Nom there. There,

Whitey: yeah.

Gow: So yes, that's the one.

Yes. Uh, but look, [00:26:00] she wasn't the first one chosen for this movie.

Whitey: There were a few

Gow: women. Natalie Portman. Yeah, she declined.

Whitey: She declined it. Scar

Gow: Johanson.

Whitey: Yeah. I think Natalie Port would've been great.

Gow: Yeah. David Fincher thought sculpture Hanson was bringing too much sexual deal to the role.

Whitey: Yeah, definitely.

Gow: Um, but yeah, so they, Jennifer Lawrence was considered. Yep. Uh, so they got Rudy Mara

Dan: and then they cast it. I cast it Well in this one. They cast it well in the Swedish ones too. Numi replaced reports. Yeah. Yeah, she's very similar. Look, uh, definitely not a a a natural style at beauty, but, uh, I think completely what we were imagining when we were reading the book.

So I think that's, she's a quality

Gow: actress.

Dan: Very

Gow: well. Was brilliant there, there was a big push, there was a big push for Numi ACH to be in this movie and reprised the role.

Dan: Yeah. Yeah.

Gow: I think

Dan: she could've done

Gow: it for sure. A lot of people were like, yeah, she did so well in the other three movies. But then she says, said like, I've played that person three times.

Yeah. I've done it. I don't even go to another adaptation. The same thing. Yeah. But yeah, that was a, a really good push for her to be in that. Yeah. Do you know that, um, [00:27:00] Rooney Ma and his sister, Kate Mara, their great-grandfather, founded the New York Giants?

Whitey: Yeah. John Mara, their dad owns the New York Giants.

Gow: Yeah. And they founded the, and their great-grandfather, uh, Rooney founded the Pittsburgh Steelers. So,

Whitey: yeah, it's crazy.

Gow: Yeah.

Whitey: So again, it's, you know, you can be anything you want as long as you got billions of dollars in Bank Million Bank.

Gow: I think her and her sister are both pretty good actors, though. They both

Whitey: do.

Yeah, they're all right. But they would never have gotten the chance if they weren't billionaires.

Gow: Maybe

Whitey: not.

Dan: Kate's good. And, uh, how's scars?

Whitey: Kate Mara is, she's gorgeous too. Kate Mara. Yeah. Kate Ma, Jesus shooter.

Gow: Alright, moving on. Stills. Scars guard we've touched on on him before. Goodwill Hunting, obviously Gerard Lamber.

Whitey: Yeah. Uh, Ella Skarsgard is generally, generally the best heart of every movie that he's in.

Gow: Yep. I'd agree with that.

Whitey: He is, yeah. Same.

Dan: You

Whitey: agree. Quality. He's quality. Have you

Gow: seen, have you watched Chernobyl? He's really good in that.

Whitey: Yeah. Chernobyl is an incredible miniseries.

Gow: Yeah.

Dan: Yeah.[00:28:00]

Whitey: Tina time fucking, so

Gow: got the mortar and pestle out.

Whitey: He's getting some practice in early. Um, yeah. Stella Scar, scars Guard is just in incredible in everything he's in.

Gow: Yeah. He's,

Whitey: uh, amazing. And he's, he's so good as Martin Vanger in this movie.

Gow: He's good just to turn on him, like he's so believable and nice, you know, he's got the nice and then.

He's just so, I, I guess that evil, you know, just, just pure, slimy evil,

Whitey: that thing. I've got it in my good, the bad, the ugly, but, and I'll talk about it more then, but when he goes back to Martin's house, the beginning of the end

Gow: Yeah.

Whitey: That whole scene, the whole 25 minutes

Gow: Yep.

Whitey: Is just incredible.

Gow: Yeah. He's, he's really good when he is tapping him on the ribs.

Just check for despite, oh

Whitey: God mate.

Gow: It's just so rude.

Whitey: And I love it how he turns away. He goes, I've never had a man in here before. Yeah. I've never touched a man before. Well, except my father. It was our duty.

Gow: [00:29:00] Yeah.

Whitey: Like, he's just so good. Yeah.

Gow: Very good. Okay. Uh, Christopher Plummer smaller role in this, obviously, uh, the second best ever Captain von Trap.

That's true. That is true. Apart from 1990 ones of high performance. That is true.

Whitey: It was 93

Gow: the other way.

Whitey: Yeah.

Gow: Yeah.

Whitey: Only the second best performance in that musical though. Yeah.

Gow: Uh, he was an eyewitness dial in for murder. He's in 12 Monkeys, which was, I was watching on the weekend. Yeah. He

Whitey: was 12 monkeys.

Yeah.

Gow: Sydney Insider. Um, he, Oscar, he had an Oscar nom for all the money in the world, so he was 88, became the oldest Academy Award nominee for acting. Um, and I think in 82 was the oldest per person to receive an Academy Award for, uh, all the money in the world.

Whitey: So all the money in the world was the one where Kevin Spacey, oh,

Gow: sorry.

Beginners. It was begins. Yeah,

Whitey: he won for beginner Sydney. He won beginner beginners. But all the money in the world is the one where is it they, is it Kevin Spacey filmed the part. And when his stuff happened, I,

yes,

Gow: that was

Whitey: it. He came in and filmed the whole

Gow: Yeah. They had to redo it. They redid

Whitey: it. They [00:30:00] re-shot it

Gow: and he got an award.

Yeah. Yeah.

Whitey: Incredible.

Gow: That's pretty crazy. 82 and 88 to be

Whitey: getting

Gow: awards.

Whitey: Yeah. You know what he brings to this movie? You know what he brings? Gravitas,

Dan: gravitas.

Gow: Lot of gravitas.

Whitey: There's something about Christopher Plummer. His voice is so silky. Yeah. And every time he talks, you are just drawn into him.

Yeah. He's so fucking good.

Gow: Love him. Um, look, he actually in a sliding door for him, he turned down the role of Gandalf in Lord of the Rings.

Whitey: Really?

Gow: Yep. Admits to regretting that obviously. Yeah. He did not pass.

Whitey: My God. Ian Mcil. See Len. See Mc. You shall not pass. See McGill? See McGill? See McGill.

Gow: Now I can watch Extras if you can.

Never.

Whitey: He's not funny.

Gow: Um, alright. Robin Wright has a role in this as well as the girlfriend slash partner, obviously [00:31:00] well known for, for Forrest Gump.

Whitey: Yep.

Gow: My Gen E.

Whitey: Yeah.

Gow: Which we're doing in

Whitey: a few

Gow: weeks. Moneyball. Moneyball came out the same year as this Blade Runner 2049.

Whitey: The Princess Bride.

Gow: Princess Bride be Wolf

Whitey: up, married to Sean Penn at one stage.

Gow: Yeah. Robin Wright Pen. Steven Berkoff.

Whitey: Yeah. Uh, born to watch alum.

Gow: Yep. Yep. Beverly Hills Cop. Beverly Hills Cop.

Dan: Beverly Hills cop

Gow: to Maitland.

Dan: Victor Maitland.

Gow: Yeah, he was in Octopussy as well. Speaking of Bond movies, he was all of in 83 and he was in the Clockwork Orange as well. Now the other couple of ones I had, obviously Jolie Richardson was in as well.

Yep. She plays Patriot Nip Tuck.

Whitey: Yep. Plays,

Gow: um, a quick, a very quick, uh, cameo from the great Jim Robertson. Alan Robinson. Allen Dale. Yes. Jim Robinson. I put it in Question Outta Neighbors.

Dan: Yeah,

Gow: I was, he came on the screen like, is that Jim Robinson?

Whitey: Yeah. Yes.

Dan: He, he just went to the States and just picked up heaps of little parts like this.

I think he was in the ac he was

Gow: in all

Dan: sorts of [00:32:00] things.

Gow: What show? He was on the show for Quite It was the oc There was one. Yeah. He played a dad or something was in, yeah. Um, and the other one I have is the guy at the end, um, Tony Way. He's from Afterlife. He's Lenny from Afterlife.

Whitey: Yeah. He's the, he's, um, Elizabeth Hacker mate.

Elizabeth Hacker mate. Yeah.

Gow: Yeah. Because I'm looking at him going,

Whitey: he's in where,

Gow: where do I know you from? And I was like, that's it.

Whitey: But he's also in, uh, edge of Tomorrow with Tom Cruise.

Gow: Yes, that's

Whitey: right. Yes. He's the God dies first. The big guy. Yeah.

Gow: Anyway, that's it.

Whitey: What about, uh, box Office

awards,

Whitey: G

Gow: Man.

Okay, so domestically 100, 2.5 million internationally, 130.1 for a total of 2 32 $0.6 million. That's a

Whitey: lot of money, man. From moving, like this

Gow: budget of 90 million, pretty big budget. It was

Whitey: all, all on, like, it'd be all. It's all on. It's all like on set. It's, it's all filmed in

Gow: Sweden.

Whitey: Location. It's on locations.

Gow: On locations. What

Whitey: I'm trying to say, fuck me.

Gow: Yeah. Um, yeah. And look, you know, when you do 15 minute, you know, trailers for movies, that's gonna [00:33:00] cost a fair bit. So, uh, opening weekend did 12.8 million. So it ended up being the number 24 movie for the year at 2 39. Um, this, we, we've been through 2011 before.

We've had Warrior. Yeah. Uh, we've had something else from 2011 as well, but the best picture went to the artist, best director of the artist.

Whitey: Terrible,

Gow: best actor, Jean Deja,

Whitey: terrible

Gow: best actress. Me, Meryl Streep, the Iron Lady.

Whitey: Okay.

Gow: And Christopher Palmer, again for the beginners, got this for this year. Got, uh, his best supporting actor, but number one movie at 1.3 billion.

Harry Potter and the Deathly Halls. Part

Whitey: one.

Gow: Part two.

Whitey: Part two. Yeah.

Gow: Transformers, dark Side of the Moon. Or Dark of the Moon, sorry.

Whitey: God, so bad.

Gow: 1.1, Pirate's of Caribbean Number three at 1 billion Mission Impossible Goes Protocol. Pretty good. The Twilight Saga Breaking Dawn.

Whitey: Terrible.

Gow: Like the top five are all, it's

Whitey: all this, we are nut deep in the franchise.

Dan: Yeah.

Whitey: Destruction of cinema. Yeah. Right now in 2011. [00:34:00]

Gow: Yes.

Whitey: Which is ironic that this was supposed to be first of a. Franchise Anyway.

Gow: So the Girl with the Dragon Tattoo had a few, had two nominees. One for best performance for Rooney Mara, which we talked about. Uh, one for best achievement in cinematography for Jeff Cronen Worth.

It actually won best achievement in film editing for Angus Wall and Kirk Baxter.

Whitey: Yeah, I can see that.

Gow: Sorry. I also had, um, a nominee for best achievement in sound mixing and best achievement in sound editing.

Whitey: Okay. Nothing for the score.

Gow: No.

Whitey: Okay. Fair enough. Well, Anji killing it. 2011, hit sleeper and dud.

Gow: That's my 12% done. So I'm out there.

Whitey: You got more? You got more to go ga. You've got more to go. Uh, I'm on the hit this week. I don't know whether any of you guys would've seen this, but it's a little one called The Debt Starring Helen Miron. Sam Worthington. Tom Wilkinson. Jessica Chastain. In 19 65, 3 Mossad agents cross into [00:35:00] East Berlin to apprehend a notorious Nazi war criminal.

30 years later, the secrets and the agents share, uh, the secrets and the agents, the secrets the agents share. Come back to haunt them. It's pretty good. It's pretty good. It's a book cast. It's, it's worth a watch if you've got a 90 minutes. It's only like a hundred minute movie. You got Got that to kill.

It's worth a watch. The debt. Uh, Dan, you have the sleeper.

Dan: Yeah, the, the Sleeper for me, the Untouchables came in at number 16. Really cool flick. Uh, it feels like that was very similar to the film that Christopher Plummer won his Oscar fall

Whitey: beginners.

Dan: Yeah. It feels like they're similar themes. Um, but yeah.

Really, really good flick. Very much worth a look.

Whitey: Yeah. Uh, that when, when that came out at the video shop, it, I had like 10 copies of it for a foreign film.

Dan: Yeah. [00:36:00]

Whitey: Never have that many copies, but it, it just rented and rented and rented for months.

Dan: Yeah.

Whitey: Great movie. Yeah. Great call.

Dan: Everyone who saw it raved about it, it was brilliant.

Yeah.

Whitey: Yeah. It's great. Uh, gee man, the dud.

Gow: I got two.

Whitey: Love that

Gow: one. We've unfortunately got our great friend Adam Sandler for Jack and Jill.

Whitey: Oh. It's the worst movie ever made. It's not a dud.

Gow: It's um, it's been hyped as probably one of the worst movies I've made. It's

Whitey: one of the worst movies ever made.

Gow: Yeah.

Not great. The other one I had, um, was a big mama's like father-like son.

Whitey: I don't think I've seen that.

Gow: Yeah. That's a follow up to obviously Big Mama's House. Obvious Big Mama's House with Martin Lawrence where him and his stepson Trent going cover it an all girls school. A flush out a killer comedy does not ensue.

Whitey: Eyebrow. Eyebrow. Love it. Alright, well done Jan. Question. Time. Now we've touched on this a little bit, but is this the best opening sequence, credit sequence of all time? [00:37:00]

Dan: It's pretty amazing.

Whitey: Now, I read a little bit into this, is that it's supposed to be Elizabeth's nightmare, like the, it's supposed to be her Nightmares and her dreams.

It's fucking Incr for one is immigrant song in the top 10 songs of all time rock songs. Yeah. And it's, and this particular,

Dan: uh, edit of it too is, is

Whitey: Yeah. But it's also immigrant songs. A bit of a led Zeppelin sleeper. Like people don't go off the bat, will let immigrant songs. My favorite Led Zeppelin song, there's probably four or five before they get to that.

But obviously this, with the female vocal, it's a little bit edgier. It's a little bit more modern. Mm-hmm. It's, it's an incredible take on it.

Gow: Yeah. I, I, to be honest, I started watching it and the music's great and then the, all of that stuff reminded me of venom, like, you know, like the

Whitey: Yep.

Gow: Of that. And I actually flick through it.

I didn't quite like it that much. Oh, okay. Maybe, maybe I need to go. 'cause I was looking at it to be fair, I'm looking at going, it's two hours, 38. I [00:38:00] don't think I need to see all, like, I started, which was, I don't think I need to see all this. I'll fast forward through that. Yeah,

Whitey: it's

Gow: cool. Um, yeah, I, I wasn't that enamored with it, but maybe I need to revisit it.

Whitey: Alright, question two is David Fincher the best gun for hire direct director of Modern Times. Now when I say gun for hire. He doesn't write and direct, he just directs. He directs other people's ip, directs other people's scripts. Now I've got a list here Now, let's just say, and Steven Spielberg is the goat gun for hire.

Right? The goat can't be touched. Never. No one will ever come close. But you've got Deni Irv, you've got Ron Howard, you've got Alfonso Koran. Like these are guys that effectively just do other people's stuff and come in direct with their vision and they go, David Finch is number one. He's gotta be right.

Dan: I think everyone you just described makes [00:39:00] incredible films.

So I personally enjoy Fincher's more than those, but I think that all of them are absolute geniuses for what they can do with other people's material. For sure.

Gow: He's very good at a darker theme. You know, like seven, he's,

Dan: he's got

Gow: gone girl.

Whitey: He's definitely

Gow: got

Whitey: a, he's got a

Gow: girl drag

Whitey: talent. He's got a sweet spot.

Gow: Yeah. He's got a, he's definitely got that darker Yeah. Theme thing going. The social network, even the social networks, it's, it's, it's a bit like not hippy go lucky movie. Well, he's

Whitey: created a drama out of it. Yeah. That's, and created this, this ominous, honest, that's the problem. The word

Gow: you use. Yeah.

Whitey: But also a lot of that you can thank to the collaboration with.

Ner and, um, yeah, Atticus Finch because that that soundtrack and that score that they produce, which, and this one with all those bells, and it's just, oh man. So eerie. Yeah. Yeah. But if you go back and listen to the score for the social network, it creates drama outta nothing. Yeah. Yeah. [00:40:00] Uh, I, I think I, I, my thought is that De Irv could surpass, Fincher could, but my, also, the, the rabbit that Fincher is squarely holding in the hat is the, uh, obviously Brad Pitt and the Once Upon A Time Hollywood sequel.

When is that coming out on Netflix this year? The, the Adventures of the Cliff Story? Yeah, the Adventures of Cliff Booth. So that written by Steven, uh, written by Quentin Tarantino, directed by, did you see that? Uh, I think Tarantino got 20 million for the script. Fincher got 20 million for directing it, and Brad Pitt got 40 million for starring in it.

Gow: He's also, he's also got Squid Game America coming out.

Whitey: Fincher.

Gow: Yep. Squid Game America is filming.

Whitey: Is that TV series?

Gow: Yep.

Whitey: I really like Squid Game.

Gow: I haven't watched it. I've watched the whole thing.

Whitey: I really, I got so [00:41:00] sucked into Squid Game. It's great.

Gow: Mm,

Whitey: really good. Uh, okay. Is it compulsory to have an open marriage in Sweden?

Dan: Sounds like it. Yeah.

Whitey: And the only marriage that sort of failed was ML'S because Robin Wright's husband's still with her. Yeah, I love that. At Southern River. He goes, I'll just call. I'll call Gerhart and let him know I'm not coming home.

Dan: Mm-hmm.

Whitey: Okay, great. And Martin's girlfriend is married as well. Yeah.

So it seems that open marriage is a big thing over there. Yeah. They just quite progressive.

Gow: Yeah.

Dan: Well, it's also for seven months of the year. It's dark at two o'clock in the afternoon. So there's a lot of, a lot of nocturnal activity that needs to happen twice as much as anywhere else in the world.

Whitey: People be fucking,

Dan: oh, they'd be fucking Mm

Whitey: Uh okay. On a scale of one to 10, how scary is it that [00:42:00] Elizabeth can go so deep with the information she finds A lot. And do you think that that is realistic?

Dan: I misjudged where you were going with that and I thought you were gonna say how scary it is. How deep she can go with the metal dildo into her rapist.

R nor, 'cause when she kicks it, that's gotta be hidden too. That's hidden tonsils. Heating tonsils.

Whitey: Yeah, it's internal then.

Dan: Wow. Yeah,

Whitey: it's internal. He, he's going to the hospital and going, I slipped and I fell on that. Yeah.

Dan: Yeah. I was vacuuming in the nude know slipped

Whitey: I the shampoo bottle and they got,

Gow: he's not extricating that on his own.

Whitey: No. He needs help for that. That's

Gow: deep, deep.

Whitey: There's no hilt on it.

Gow: That's deep. It's going deep

Whitey: on it. All the way in. It's going

Dan: awful. Awful.

Whitey: Yeah. But do you think, is it a realistic portrayal about how deep hackers can go? She's, I, she ly the [00:43:00] game.

Gow: I think they can go if they know what they're doing. Yeah.

They

Whitey: can

Gow: go pretty deep.

Whitey: They, I love the bit at the, at the end, because I need to borrow $50,000. I don't even think I have that much money. Yes,

Gow: you

Whitey: do. Yes, you do. You have $65,000. I'm sorry that I know that.

Dan: No, I think it's a fair representation. I have a, um, a friend of the podcast who actually works in cybersecurity and she says that it's far more prevalent, hacking and into all sorts of businesses.

Wow. That, uh, yeah. It's, it's quite massive. So, yeah. I, I think it's whilst dramatized, I think, uh, plausible.

Gow: Okay. I, I, the quote I liked is that it's her and Raquel Quist and she's talking to, and he says, what are you doing? And she goes, reading your notes and he says they're encrypted and she looks up and goes, please, please.

That's great.

Whitey: Please. Uh, okay. Is Coke Smokes And Noodles the cornerstone of every nutritious meal

Gow: she had to make. Happy Meal.

Whitey: She loves to, she had a couple of meals, multiple Macapp meals.

Gow: Meals. [00:44:00] Yeah, she didn't

Dan: mind it. It's really interesting. It's obviously a character building enterprise from Fincher and, and that drives the story 'cause she's been in institutions since she was 12.

So in some reason she's this badass hacker, and yet her, uh, nutrition is still based on what a 12-year-old would eat. Yes. She's eaten Happy meals, she's drinking Coca-Cola, she's eating a whole heap of shit. And it's just her metabolism that makes her the way she's, so, yeah. I think it's more,

Gow: doesn't eat a lot.

She just Yeah.

Dan: Talk to character more than anything. No,

Gow: yeah.

Whitey: Yeah. Cool.

Dan: I'd say that the three of us had a very similar diet around age 19, 20, 21, 26.

Whitey: We have,

Gow: we given that up,

Whitey: have we? Coke? Well, ours, ours wouldn't have been smokes and noodles. Ours was coke. Coke, burgers and kebabs.

Dan: Yeah. Egg, bacon or cheese or bacon and cheese.

One with a lot.

Whitey: And, and unfortunately only one of us is paying the price for that.

Dan: We all pay the,

Gow: we were two dinner Mondays with would turn off after work and I had to [00:45:00] dinner at home with the family and then I had to go get kebab down at 10:00 PM at night.

Dan: What prompted two dinner Mondays? I don't know why it was

Gow: you, because you had finished work and you didn't finish work till like, oh,

Dan: was that at the timer or something?

Yeah,

Gow: the time. And then you'd go, like, you'd come around and go, you'd come and pick me up and go, let's go for a meal. I go, I've had my, I've had a big,

Dan: I've had my dinner. Bad world do you

Gow: really not have.

Whitey: Okay. Okay.

Dan: It's still the same dudes running kebab world at dy, I hope. Yeah.

Whitey: Yeah, I

Dan: think, I hope it's

Whitey: still there.

What a, what a great place. Uh, Ken,

Dan: I used to work in there after the jet club on a Friday morning, Thursday night. I'd go in behind the counter. I fucking help him out with the kebabs more, do a comedy show and then get a, he was a legend, that

Gow: guy.

Dan: Oh, he was such a legend.

Gow: He

Whitey: knew my order

Gow: I'd ring up.

Dan: Oh, Mr.

Woolie. Mr. Woolie. Mr. Woolie. That was pretty much my comedy act.

Whitey: Yeah. Um, can Trent Resner and Atticus Ross be mentioned in the same [00:46:00] breath as the greats? John Williams, Jerry Goldsmith, Han Zimmer, a Sylvestri, James Ner. Have they earned that right? Yet? Dan's,

Dan: I think Johnny Greenwood from Radiohead is also fast approaching.

He's a go-to guy for a lot of films. But this score, like, yes, they're more traditional classical music, um, uh, composers. I think that the, the previous names, most of them you mentioned,

yes.

Dan: But these guys are using all sorts of sounds to just have this creeping dread throughout a venture film. No, I think they're amazing.

Whitey: Yeah, they're good. They're good. So different. So different. Uh, so Mikel moves into the cottage, adopts a stray cat. Are you letting that cat sleep in your bed? Night one? The cat's in the fucking bed. One The cat's not getting in the house with me. So let me just say that G Man. Is the cat sleeping in your bed?

Gow: Yeah. Well, he sort of took the cat in pretty quick, didn't he? But I [00:47:00] Day one, but guess he was on his own and it was cold and he just had the cat. You, to be fair, he should have just not taken the cat in. That poor thing. Paid the price. He did

Whitey: pay the price. Did pay the price,

Gow: hit the

Whitey: price?

Gow: Um, yeah, I guess so.

I reckon if you're there and there's a cat, the cat's gonna, actually it was funny 'cause it was actually just how did you get inside? So, but I think that was more referring to

Whitey: someone let him in. Someone in someone had been in the house. Martin. Martin had been,

Gow: yeah,

Whitey: for sure. Uh, Dan Boss, you, you, you, you got a bit of a p chant for, uh, sleeping with Pussies.

Um, would you be sleeping with the cat? You're on mute.

Gow: You're,

Whitey: you're on mute.

Dan: No, but I, I really liked that Daniel Craig's character was so un bond like in this film and he was there. He's not an alpha, he's a, he's a journalist who gets himself in a lot of shit and it, Elizabeth, that has to save him most of the time. And I think that having, uh, a cat. Just added to that non bond.

Yeah, I like [00:48:00]

Whitey: persona.

Dan: Yeah. Okay, good. If I think of the biggest, fuck we knobs that have cats that I know friend of the podcast, Craig Plummer very much, uh, very similar, like just, just a cock

Gow: plus also morgues. You know, the downside of having a cat in your bedroom is sometimes they piss behind the door.

We've middle in the middle of the night.

Whitey: We've witnessed that firsthand,

Gow: but only they tend to do it when the owner's really drunk and it's just,

Dan: yes, uh, I have been blamed for what a cat does in the corner of a room on a few occasions. But, so just going back to my comment before about Johnny Greenwood.

So he's Paul Thomas Sanderson's guy. So he did, there will be Blood, which really known it's jarring strings and that real ominous atmosphere that you had fan of Thread. He did, he also did Jan Camp, uh, Jane Campions, the Power of the Dog. Did you guys see that?

Whitey: Nah. Steer clear of that. I'm not a

Dan: huge, he's, it's probably not, it's probably not your movie.

I really enjoyed it, but it was [00:49:00] more funny for me in that it depicts, um, uh, gaze in, uh, as cowboys in, it's an excellent film. And, uh, the, the acting's incredible. But Sam Elliot blew up. Uh, Sam Elliot, the actor, came out and said it's absolute bullshit. There were never any gay, gay cowboys,

which I loved. So, R Sam, uh, I think that statistics may beg to differ, but anyway. Well, you

Whitey: haven't seen Brokeback Mountain either.

Dan: No, exactly. Another one of my favorites, but he did. Um, yeah, he's done a whole heap of really cool films, and so I, well, probably not up there with as notorious, uh, as, uh, uh, as Atticus Ross and, um, uh, uh, old mate from Nineish Nails, Kent Resner, uh, Kent Ner, definitely, yeah, definitely one of the modern, uh, go-tos for sure.

Whitey: Yeah. Perfect. Uh, is, okay, so the first dinner at Martin's, where he is [00:50:00] meeting Martin and the, and the girlfriend and, and there's a noise in the background where Martin says Someone must have left the door open.

Dan: Oh, yeah.

Whitey: Mm. Is that a girl screaming or is that's the wheel?

Dan: No, it, the, the payoff with that is that yes, that is the, the

Whitey: end

Dan: girl screaming at the Yeah.

Whitey: It is a girl screaming. Right. And I

Dan: what

Whitey: really listened to it this time, and it is, it's definitely a girl screaming. It's not the wind. Yeah. Because

Dan: no,

Whitey: in the end when, uh, when Mickel is walking through the house and he's left that door open a little bit and you can hear the wind, it's wind coming through

Dan: completely

Whitey: different sound.

So is the, the wife doesn't know about this though? No,

Dan: no. She's a girlfriend, so she's, she's not in there all the time. Girlfriend. She's never there. Yeah.

Whitey: Yeah. She's not there. She's

Dan: never there. No. And, and, uh, Martin Wagner does a call back to it where he says to Daniel Craig that he had the girl in the girl in, in the

Whitey: cage

Dan: whilst that's when he was down here for dinner.

And that was the, the, the callback to that screaming. So yeah. Yes, that was [00:51:00] my take as well. Wy,

Whitey: yeah. Okay. Cool. Uh, now he, here's an interesting one and one only thought about this time watching it, the, the sexual, when, when Burman, the, the, uh, the Guardian bearded mud guts, the rapist pig, he's the Beed mud guts.

When, when Burman is asking Elizabeth all the sexual questions about diseases, how many partners he got, is that a, is that so he can decide whether or not he's going to rape her?

Dan: I, I think it was to show how creepy he was, but also if he was going to use protection when he raped her. Yes. It, yeah. That awful.

Yeah. Yeah.

Whitey: Well, it was

Gow: because, but is the protection also so there's no, yeah. God, nothing

Dan: gross. Just can't charge. This is what makes it an R rated film. It's, uh, this absolutely grim, grim scenes, scenes with [00:52:00] him. It's gr super grim.

Whitey: Now, do all Swedish apartment blocks have award-winning insulation?

Dan: Yes.

Whitey: Surely someone is hearing Elizabeth's

Dan: scream. No, it's only Australia. Australia. We get ripped off, uh, by Will the Workie and his cohort of tradesmen that,

Whitey: do you think it's

Dan: people from,

Whitey: do you think it's a weather thing though?

Dan: No. Do you think it's because people from Oh yeah. No, totally. They built it for the climate.

Yes, a hundred percent. Yeah. Right. They build everything based on the fact that they need to insulate their homes. We get many Northern Canadians that will come out to Australia in winter and we'll be freezing sitting on the couch going, what the fuck is wrong with your country? Yes. This, it's, it's 17 degrees outside and I feel like I'm gonna die.

We just, we don't build it for, uh, for any insulation properties.

Gow: And the thing was, he didn't even shut the door, the bedroom door.

Dan: No, no.

Gow: He's, so, there's, she's screaming. So you can pick up the hallway and then he's got the, the door. Like that's, yeah. It's crazy.

Whitey: Crazy. Now, here's my question. How the [00:53:00] fuck does Alan Dale get a gig in this movie?

Like, how does Jim Robinson go from after s

Dan: He moved to, he moved to the States, didn't he? Picked up age? He, yeah. He

Whitey: crazy. Yeah, I know, but like Alan Dale, like fuck it

Dan: that. Yeah, no, he, he, he went on to do many, many things in Hollywood. I think if you would look at his, his, uh, his IMDB page, he would surprise you how much he did.

Yeah,

Whitey: no, I think it's

Gow: pretty deep. I think it's pretty deep.

Dan: Mm-hmm.

Gow: Uh, I mate this in Indiana Jones and the kingdom of the Crystal Skull, captain America, the winter soldier. He's in Star Trek nemesis. He's in the movie Priest. Heaps of, yeah. Okay.

Dan: Alright.

Gow: He's in home. He was in Homeland Secret City. He was in NCIS.

He's 14 episodes of that Dominion. He's been in there heaps of shows. Okay.

Dan: Heaps jobber. Absolute jobber. Absolute job.

Whitey: Aussie jobber

Dan: Aussie. Nah, but he's, he's also a Kiwi too, so we claim him like Russell car? No, Ozzy.

Whitey: Ozzy

Dan: Russell. Ozzy. Yeah. Ozzy Sie.

Whitey: If you are going to sneak into someone's house that you suspect of being a serial killer, do you [00:54:00] ensure you close the door behind you?

Dan: Yeah, he's not, I think again, it's, uh, Mika Bloomquist is very much a keyboard warrior. This is outside his normal scope and he's shown up many times to be fairly incompetent when it comes to real world stuff.

Gow: Yeah.

Whitey: Okay. All right.

Gow: He was, he wasn't great. He did panic. Like he sees the lights coming. And then just stands, that was panic stands there for 20 seconds.

And then he goes, oh, I'll now run over to here. And then somehow falls down like running away.

Whitey: Yeah.

Dan: But which is kind of good that he doesn't turn into a paratroop superhero.

Gow: Yeah,

Dan: yeah. Right. When you should sign, like it stays on character, on brand for him the whole time. Which,

Gow: and he knows, yeah. He knows that stage.

That's, that's interesting, that discussion with Martin Viga when he's like, you know, you're trying to be polite outweighs your fear of running whatever. Yeah, totally.

Dan: That's the,

Gow: you bit back and willingly, he's like, you know, you knew like, but you came back here. His body senses are going.

Dan: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Whitey: But I also think that's a really, [00:55:00] I'm gonna talk about it in good, bad, the ugly, but the, the fear of offending is far more powerful than

Dan: mm-hmm.

Whitey: You know, than everything else. But, yeah. Really cool. Okay, so Elizabeth robbed 2 billion euros from Rom.

Dan: I didn't notice that in my previous viewing. So, yeah, I, from the book, she, it's a, like, it's a never work for the term of your natural life, intergenerational wealth.

Wealth, but I didn't realize it was 2 billion euros. That's just

Whitey: 2 billion euros. And, and she gives Mikel back his 50,000 and a leather jacket, which he throws in the bin. Doesn't seem fair Thoughts.

Dan: I, uh, no, I like, I like that whole scene and I liked it. Miguel, he wasn't driven by. Uh, cash, money, status, any of that.

Like, he was like, sure, yeah, I, I trust her. You can have my money. And you see her. She's quite shocked that he trusts her straight away. I thought that was [00:56:00] a really strong scene and really good for both of their characters. But yeah, she's, if you're running, if you're running 2 billion deep, you could've maybe brought him a new unit or something in the middle of Stockhouse.

Got him, got him a sick Volvo

Gow: because he's obviously got something against Strom. And then he comes out again. He gets the first time, he doesn't get it. The second time they investigate him and then he kills himself. If he gets some of that money back, they're going to, they're gonna link it back to him straight away.

So I think she thinks about it and goes, there's no way I'm giving you any of that money.

Whitey: Yeah, yeah. I'm just gonna keep all the 2 billion

Gow: myself. Well, I think she does, but she puts in huge of different accounts and they can trace it. But if she gives you any of that back and he has a new house, something, they're gonna be looking him straight away.

Like he's the one that had the most to gain out of all this. So I think that was part of it.

Whitey: Well, she probably, she probably stole 2 billion, but she only kept like,

Gow: well she put, she routed

Whitey: 250 million because they had to find some of that money. Right? Yeah.

Gow: But then also, also she at the end tells her old ward that she's in love with him.

And then he, she comes back and finds him [00:57:00] hand in hand with

Whitey: Robin Wright.

Gow: With Robin Wright. So then she flings the jacket and then she's off. So I think she's like, well, fuck you. You don't get nothing now. Like,

Whitey: yeah, that was harsh.

Gow: Yeah. So I think, well, she's harsh.

Whitey: You're not getting any, you're not getting anything now until the next book.

Gow: Yeah.

Whitey: Yeah. Uh, okay. Well done gents. Born to watch only fans. Uh, it was good that we've had some old folks reach out in the last couple weeks, man, last week. It was good to hear your voice, mate. Uh, now just keeping along the lines of a bit of negative commentary on Oh,

Dan: excellent. I

Whitey: like that.

Dan: I like the nego.

It's on YouTube.

Whitey: Yeah, on YouTube. So Chuck, so we, we have a, um, a short up on which we posted on Instagram as well about code of silence G which me, you and Will, the work he did.

Gow: Mm-hmm.

Whitey: Uh, bad movie. You guys are smoking some funny stuff. I think it's a shit movie. It's not a bad movie. Chuck Norris movie was bad, even though we miss him.

Sorely missed. [00:58:00] But, uh, Cosol is not one of your best.

Dan: Ah, right. So he's arguing that you guys are on the, uh, the, the electric lettuce because you think it's a bad movie.

Whitey: Yes. He's into us. Yes.

Dan: Right. Okay. Yeah. Good

Whitey: fun. Uh, and also, uh, the guy also, we've got the sexual chocolate Randy Watson, uh, short up on YouTube and someone's gone.

Uh. Commented on that video, Mr. Randy Watson with Sexual Chocolate. I saw them headline, A concert, the Rose Bowl several years ago. The greatest concert I'd ever seen.

Dan: Ah,

Whitey: that would be,

Dan: that's very cool. That's very cool.

Whitey: That would be on my, uh, that would be on my hit list to see Randy Watson and Sexual chocolate, you know,

Dan: or era future.

Gow: You know, it would be great to see with 'em. The Dan Band.

Dan: Dan

Whitey: Dan Band, the headline with them. Dan Band.

Dan: Dan Band. Ah, yeah,

Whitey: that is, they are, they are funny fuckers. The Dan Band.

Dan: Very funny, very funny.

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Whitey: Incredible marketing ploy.

Dan: Absolutely. I don't wanna tell you how to market, but this is how you do it. Call you what side Dick?

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Whitey: like that. Or take a photo, take a photo of yourself, uh, drink this, uh, uh, a gauge road product and send it through to, we'll make sure the boys at G Roads get to see it.

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Whitey: Uh, good. Gee, man, let's start with the one watcher, the good,

Gow: uh, Rooney Mara, we already talked about.

I think she plays this role well, it's a it's a hard role. Yeah. I mean, there's a lot of depth to it, and she's got a very checkered background plus what happens to her in the movie. Yep. But I think she does really well, because you can see that she's, she's on the right side, but as you cross her, she's, you know.

Whitey: Oh yeah. Well, she's a, she's, she's a bad person.

Gow: She's like the person that, um, that stole her bag. He copped it.

Whitey: Yeah. Well, she's a bit like a hooker with a heart of gold.

Gow: Yeah.

Whitey: You know what I mean? Like, it's, she's that hacker with a heart of Gold League.

Gow: Yeah. Well, she's had a bad life. Yeah. But, um, but I thought she was, she played this role really well.

Whitey: Yeah.

Gow: Um, we talked about Tel Skarsgard as Martin Vanguard. I, I thought he was amazing.

Whitey: Loved him

Gow: because [01:01:00] even though I haven't read that book, it's been what, 12, 13, 14 years? So I didn't, I haven't recollect it all, but I just thought he was so good. 'cause you just don't suspect him at all.

Whitey: Yeah.

Gow: And then at the end, he just turned so ice cold.

I thought it was great. The other thing I did really like was, um, Liz Best Fuck you. You fucking fuck T-shirt. The t-shirt is amazing. Yeah, it's awesome.

Dan: That was pretty good.

Gow: Loved it.

Whitey: Did you also notice that, uh, that the hacker, Tony Ray, whatever his name is, uh, is wearing a nine inch nails t-shirt when she sees him?

First time? Yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah.

Dan: Very good. Very good.

Whitey: I was like, I love that. I love

Dan: that. Perfect.

Whitey: Yeah, that's it.

Gow: That's why 12%.

Whitey: Oh, G man, Dan. Good.

Dan: Yeah, I agree with Gao. I think, uh, especially tel scars guard for me, he just had that real mix of warmth. There was no obvious psycho about him. We had to really unpack it and, and find the layers until the reveal.

So I don't know. And which viewing I had worked out from the start, but he was the guy, [01:02:00] but I thought he was excellent and excellent. Every, everything he does, I know I've, uh, winked on about and or a lot late lately, but he's brilliant. He's great in that too. Absolutely amazing. But I tossed up about doing this for film school for Fws, but I chose another topic, but just to briefly, uh, have a look at this.

So it's very, it's not like a traditional three act structure. This movie, I don't dunno if you picked it up, but it's uh, it really plays like three, three films for me stitched together, um, which is like a journalism downfall, drama, a serial killer island mystery, and a Elizabeth Revenge movie essentially.

So if, if it's a normal three, um, a three act structure, you normally get your set up a complication. And then your climax resolution. But this film, it really changes what it is. So for me, movie one is the corporate libel, the journalist, the downfall film. So it's all about, and now he's disgraced and he's sued and financially damaged.

So that, that's, that's movie one for me. Then it becomes this frozen island family noir mystery about [01:03:00] the horrible Wagner family and, and them, so it's all old photos and Nazis and Bible references and everything. It's almost a completely different movie as well. Then you get into Elizabeth's revenge survival, the, the horrible, um, uh, and interactions with her new ward and the Hacker Avenger role.

So it's almost another movie there. So, and it, it's also got multiple climaxes. Did you, you guys pick up on that? It's, it's kind of, uh, Elizabeth's revenge that feels like one climax when she gets the revenge on her, her, uh, Burman, I think his name is. Then there's Magna, that's another, another reveal. Then there's the torture basement scene is another kind of climax, and then there's the rum take down, which is another kind of climax on it.

And then there's Elizabeth at the end, having her final rejection when she buys in the coat. So for me it's, it's, it's kind of not a traditional screenwriting three act structure, which I found really, uh, different and enjoyable.

Gow: Well, Mor I would say [01:04:00] that, um, it doesn't fit the three act structure, but Fincher is a, is a true professional, right?

A true professional, and he didn't wanna fall into the same issue that Ted Teff did. And just write like two thirds of a bad movie and have that

Dan: no dick. God did amazing what he did, wake liked.

Gow: So he was you, he was well

Dan: ahead the game. Absolutely. No, I think that that's, I mean, the films, uh, all the goods that, that's one of the goods. The, the score really hit me on this one. The, just the way it's filmed too, that real blue cold filter that's on everything that just really adds to that horrible shit joint that Sweden is in the middle of winter.

Um, yeah, just really everything altogether and Fincher being the, uh, the, the, the puppet master I think was excellent and I enjoyed it all.

Whitey: Well done. Uh, we've mentioned the opening credits, but I really love, like an investigative [01:05:00] procedural movie, love that, where they've, they've gotta find the information and unpack the puzzle and, and I think this, this just keeps moving forward at a sort of steady pace.

I don't think this movie drags at all. I think it's one of those ones where it, you think it might be starting to dip and then something happens and something dips, something happens. And I think that I really love that kind of movie. The, the whole cast, the the five main players, Fincher, Craig, Mara, plumber Scars, Garda Incredible, uh, score's.

Amazing. I love it. Like there's so much exposition in this movie. But it's done so well. It's done moving the, the narrative forward rather than telling the past so that we can just get that information. Like you're solving the mystery by Ex Exposition, which was really cool. I thought that was really good.

Uh, I think they made a really, Hollywood could have very easily set this in LA and made this a Hollywood movie and made it an American movie. I think they made a really smart [01:06:00] choice by keeping it in Sweden. Obviously the Sweden is a character in the, in the movie and in the books. Mm. And had to be there.

I, I'd also like that day, Neil Craig told them to get fucked when they asked him to do a, um, do an accent. And he goes, no, that's gonna be stupid. I'm just gonna keep my own voice. So he, I thought that was good. Mm. Five numbers in a phone number, how good's that?

Gow: Mm.

Dan: Yeah.

Whitey: You know, you got fuck all people around you and you got five numbers in a phone number.

Gow: Remember my old six? Six number one?

Whitey: Yes. Yeah. God, six number one or

Gow: seven number. Yeah. 9 8, 7 0 5 fives was, Morgans was nine eight,

Dan: no, 7 9 7 1 7 8 4 5.

Gow: But before that it was 9 8 7 0 4 5. That was my original. Really? Oh 9 7 1. Yeah.

Whitey: Oh, okay. There you go.

Gow: Yours could have been nine, eight. 1 2 2 4 3 2 2, 4, 3. Yeah.

Dan: Yeah.

Gow: That's even, that's seven then. So anyway. Yeah, I remember it.

Whitey: Yeah.

Gow: Being that,

Whitey: uh, Martin's house is [01:07:00] incredible.

Dan: Yeah.

Whitey: Like what a, the aspect, the place where it is like

Dan: Mm

Gow: mm

Whitey: It's just tall house

Dan: Men. Men.

Whitey: Um, yeah. Very men. Very men.

Gow: Well, except for the downstairs, you know?

Dan: Yeah. The whole torture, dungeon

torture

Gow: station

Dan: probably wasn't,

Whitey: that would've been a good, that would've been a good movie room.

Yeah. That would've been a good podcast.

Dan: Very good podcast here.

Whitey: Yeah. With some different decor. Could have been a very good podcast studio.

Dan: Good acoustics. Yeah.

Whitey: Uh, the wine they drink at Martin's when it's the three of them having dinner the first time. It'd be good piece. Yeah. It's a, it's a clin, a poer roll, which depending on the vintage, you can buy a bottle of that now in Australia at Dan's 360 bucks a bottle.

Yeah.

Gow: Nice.

Whitey: Wow. But I'm tipping that the bottle that he's is like 2005, 2007 vintage, which could be 16, 17, $1,800.

Dan: Wow.

Whitey: A bottle. And they, and they're just smashing it into a giraffe and sucking them down. Yeah.

Gow: See that was, that was my bad [01:08:00] for Blomquist. Like, he's like, oh, do you wanna try another one? He is like, nah, like sack up

Whitey: Blomquist.

Gow: Yeah.

Dan: Blomquist,

Gow: get in there. Come on mate. 600 bottle. You're like, nah, no. Yeah. Wouldn't happen on the land. Woulda balls.

Whitey: Nah. No way wouldn't happen. So the 25 minutes from when Mik, Miguel goes to Martin's is amazing. The second time when he takes the knife, he's looking, searching for what's going on. So the wind in the background.

So that is there the whole time. So it's telling you that. The sound in trouble. Wasn't that right? He's in trouble. Um, then the discussion that him and Martin have, and he goes, Michel, it did work. You are here.

Trailer: Mm-hmm.

Whitey: I thought that was a really good flip. Then the, the seat, the chamber, the gassing, um, Martin giving him a drink while he's chained, like he can't drink it, but he still gives him the drink style.

Yes. Because

Gow: you, you spill your last one

Whitey: because it'd be sociable. You've gotta be sociable. Yeah. So, um, [01:09:00] I can't thank you enough for bringing her to me about Elizabeth and the look in his eyes, how he creepy, man, can't wait. Right. It's

Gow: creepy

Whitey: Then. Then he also says, well, this, I know where she's, she's at the office and the security guard's gonna call me when she leaves, but the security guard's not there when she leaves.

So he doesn't call Martin, so he doesn't know she's on the way. Right?

Gow: Mm-hmm.

Whitey: Uh, when Martin then explains the motives and explains why he killed and how he did it throughout the time is just so cold. Um, and we've already mentioned that, making that great point about the fear of offending. Like Michel should have just said, ah, it's all right pal.

I gotta go. I come to see you, you are busy. I need a shit. I, man, um,

Harry Harriet revelation. So when, when he says, well, you killed Harriet, and he's like, you're so stupid. And it's obviously he didn't kill her. Mm. Thought that was really cool. The plastic bag over the head. Now, is there a worse way to [01:10:00] die than the plastic bag? Oh, that looked horrible head. Yeah. Looked irr, which

Dan: is good at coming up with shit like that.

That was

Whitey: pretty

Dan: awful. Yeah.

Whitey: And just how it focuses on him breathing in. It's in his mouth so bad. Uh, then I've mentioned before, I've never had a man in here before.

Mm.

Whitey: Uh, the teeth, the teeth flying out of his mouth when he gets hit with the golf club. Oh,

Dan: hit with the golf club.

Whitey: Yeah. Brilliant. Yeah. And then, and then Elizabeth Mayo kill him.

Dan: Yeah. And

Whitey: then she's off on the chase. Yeah. I said that 25 minutes, those beats, and that's not all of them, but those beats are so fucking good.

Gow: Yeah. May I kill him? That's, that's

Whitey: a homage to the colonel. May I see it?

Jack says, you got a great

Dan: big car.

Whitey: He's got Mikel. Hey, hear he is killed. Heaps of girls. I gotta, may I kill him? Got a great big golf club. May I kill him? Uh, yeah. Look, I, I think the movie in general, I what you say, Dan, about it not being a sort of three. Three traditional. Yeah, yeah. Standard, [01:11:00] traditional

Dan: HI

Whitey: agree.

There's a lot of layers that goes on in this movie. You're telling multiple stories at the same time. Uh, but it's still,

even

Dan: when the, like, the midpoint is where Elizabeth and, uh, finally meet, so, and then it's a whole, it's a whole nother movie again. It starts to Exactly right. So it's exactly right. Yeah.

There's just lots going on, which is great. And it's, it comes from the absolute depth of the book, which is obviously a novel, so they've got much more room to play with all these sub plots and stories. But in, I think Ger does a good job in, in, in making sure they're all part of his film.

Whitey: Definitely, uh, the bad, Dan, we'll start with you.

Dan: Uh, I, yeah, and I'll talk about this in film school for fw, but this was meant to be the start of a trilogy and dare I say, a Marvel esque trilogy for adults. So Sony Go said, spent $90 million making this a shitload marketing it so that it was really only a push with what it made. It maybe made, made a small [01:12:00] profit even, uh, even though they did 270 odd globally with the states and, and worldwide.

But that was deemed not enough, and it went very close to, uh, production. Um, similar to Back to the Future two and three, he was gonna shoot two and three back to back, and it, uh, it, it, they were writing scripts. He brought in, uh, a, a script doctor to look at what he'd already read. It got run up the line, but then they basically, uh, Sony got sick of waiting and they jumped forward to the fourth book in the franchise, which wasn't written by the original author, and which was to start a whole nother trilogy that wasn't part of the Millennium trilogy.

And they actually shot that film and, and just ignored the other two films, and it was a massive flop. Yeah. So it basically killed any, uh, any progress to get that. So my bat, which we'll talk about in. Field school for FW is how it was set up to be this Amma amazing trilogy, but we'll never get to see it unfortunately.

Whitey: Yeah. It's sad. That's uh, that's the girl in the spider's web.

Gow: Yep.

Whitey: Yeah. Claire Foy. Yeah. Claire Foy stars in that as Elizabeth Selena. [01:13:00] That's right. Yeah. It's very important. It doesn't e even come close. It's such a shame that this didn't get made.

Dan: Yeah.

Whitey: G man bad.

Gow: Uh, a few things. We go back to that chaotic scene in the torture chamber.

So she gives him the five iron to the face. It's a good shot, but he's got a few jaw problems out of that

Whitey: big, big time.

Gow: So then he runs out. Did Elizabeth just leave him tied up on the floor?

Whitey: No, she does cut him free.

Gow: Did she? I'm not, 'cause he was still had his hands tied up. Yeah. 'cause his hands are tied down.

Whitey: Yeah.

Gow: And she took the hook off. But I was like, so I get that you've hit the guy. I hope she did. 'cause I, I, I was looking going, I'm not sure she did because then she takes off upstairs and if anything happens to her, then he still trained up. Correct.

Whitey: Yeah.

Gow: So I was like, why did she, why, like why would she run off if he's injured on the floor?

Why would she take off when, the other thing I thought was why did a cold calculated killer that's done this a million times, who has no qualms at doing it? Race off. Obviously he had a gun in his top [01:14:00] drawer, which he took out.

Whitey: No. That she had the gun.

Gow: No. When he comes into the kitchen and he calls, he calls, yep.

Mikay inside. He's got a gun in his top drawer.

Whitey: No, she takes that out though. And that's the gun that she gets because Takes it

Gow: downstairs. No, I get that.

Whitey: Yeah.

Gow: He's got other guns in the house. He's

Whitey: Yeah,

Gow: he's got, he's got his gun upstairs, right? He is come in with, he's got the hunting bag. He's got that gun sitting his door.

Oh, he's got the rifles. Yeah. So he's got, but he's got other guns now. He's gotta know that if he races off in his car like he does, he's dead like that story's out because she gets him free. They go back, they say, we figured this out. So where's he running to?

Whitey: Yeah.

Gow: Why is he taking off? His whole life is on the line here.

And he, I don't get that. A killer that's killed all of these people runs off from a, a, a small girl. Mm. Like, you know, I know she's hit him in the jaw, but this is his whole life. Yeah. And he's a cold calculated guy and he just takes off in the car. And I didn't, I don't understand why he would do that, knowing he must have had other weapons.

He knows the house.

Whitey: Mm.

Gow: Why would he run in the car?

Whitey: Mm, yeah. Okay.

Gow: I, I didn't, I didn't. [01:15:00]

Dan: You just got your fucking word score up for this episode. Jesus.

Whitey: Careful. You don't wanna take over, Dan.

Gow: Gotta slip back below the 12th.

Whitey: Trust me. You won't take over Dan.

Dan: No, I get where you're coming from G. Money. That's a very ast. Oh, I like it. Yep.

Gow: The other thing was that the, um, the seasons seem to change pretty quickly. One stage, it's like when he first gets there and it's it's over a year though.

Dan: Yeah. That's,

Whitey: that's passing a

Dan: time.

Whitey: Yeah. Well,

Gow: are you sure? But I didn't think it was done over a whole year. It

Whitey: is. It's so, it's, it's from the start of the movie to the, uh, to the end

Gow: mm-hmm.

Whitey: Is one year, because it says after they kill, killed, well after they kill Martin, they go this time last year.

Gow: Yes. I know.

But, but I mean, but in the start of the movie, so from, from when he first gets there to, when Martin say Martin dies, there's a lot of changes. Like, there's a few times it's sleeting snow. There's other times when they're just walking. Well, I

Whitey: think

Gow: it's a

Whitey: shit. It's a shit place.

Gow: Place. I get that. I just seem to think it was, it [01:16:00] changed a lot in that time.

Yeah. But maybe it didn't.

Whitey: Yeah.

Gow: Um, yeah, that's it. That's my bad.

Whitey: Okay. Uh, it's, look, it's a little long at two hours. 38. Yeah. It's very, it's a little long and I don't, I don't get bored of it. I don't. I don't, I don't ever want to turn it off, but it is a little long, two hours

Dan: back. Back to my point about that.

We're gonna do a trilogy though. They were setting up a lot of those characters that feature evolution for sure. The in the future books. So the head of security, I can't remember his name. Go And what's his face from AR that plays it? Yeah, he's, he's massive. He's got a through line throughout all three books.

Yeah. With his relationships with Elizabeth. So there's that kind. He signed on thinking shit. Yeah, I've, I've got this franchise coming. Well, it's

Whitey: the same as Tom Kinnaman, like, so you'll see the

Dan: guy totally. He's in Millennium. He ends up, yeah, he, I'm sure he takes over Millennium or he, um, he buys into it.

Oras gets out. Like there's definitely a, a bigger, uh, a bigger story for him in the, in the subsequent books as well.

Whitey: Yeah. Yeah. It's, it's a, it's a shame. Uh, [01:17:00] HETA is a shit hole. Pretty, like that would be a hard place to live. A real hard place to live. Uh, awful family. Just an awful family. It's Nazi Island.

Dan: Mm. Yeah.

Whitey: Like it's just an awful family. Uh, ward of the State at 23. So she's, she's 23 and she's still awarded the state. When, when does that end? How old have you

Dan: got a baby? I think it's because she, she, and you learn in the the next book that her dad is very corrupt and, and powerful and influential. And she tried to kill him.

She basically burned, yeah, she tried to burn him to lift. Yeah. She says I remember. Yeah. Something in the subsequent books that, that pays off with that as to why she's awarded the state so far. Okay. Beyond what you would normally think. I got, it's a good pickup

Gow: I got from bearded mud guts that, because she'd had such a rocky past and she'd tried to kill him and she'd been in trouble with the law and all that.

So she was still under that because she hadn't yet proven

Whitey: right.

Dan: That's

Gow: right. The first ward, she was all, and he was doing right. Okay. Right. But him, he's like, well, I'm not gonna let [01:18:00] you out 'cause now I wanna rape you. You know, like, so he was mentioned that

Dan: gross. Yeah.

Whitey: Uh,

Gow: yeah. It's terrible.

Whitey: Enya.

Dan: Oh man.

Yeah, when that came on, I was like, oh wow. I was thinking of Chubby p just loving that shit.

Whitey: En scale away is an interesting song choice for a torture chamber. Oh.

Dan: It was just

Whitey: horrible. Like,

Gow: oh, so creepy. Yeah. Yeah. Like sail away and it's just this light sort of music

whole,

Whitey: it's incredible. Yeah. Just, wow.

Uh, and then like does she, does she have a right to be as filthy as she's in the movie? Like at, at Mikel, like, she's like, they're obviously having, they were obviously having a relationship of some sorts, but then. She sort of goes away and does her thing and wait, she'd been, but he's a kind of a father figure to her in that respect.

Well, it's fucking her.

Gow: No, I know. But then, but she's let down by all these males in a lot, I guess. Oh, okay. He falls in love with him and [01:19:00] thinks, oh, like we've, we've covered this, and like, this is someone I can trust. 'cause he didn't want it for anything else. And then all of a sudden he's like, nah, I'm off with my other side piece.

So she's like,

Whitey: yep.

Dan: Okay. Yeah, just you, you are a very good one to ask on this. I mean, put your 10 rooting hat back on when you used to, like, you'd tell him up for anything from one night to maybe like a, if it was a longer stint, maybe a couple months. If we were in, if we were in a small town, you'd, you'd shack up and, you know, you'd route the hottest one there for six weeks, I don't know, eight weeks.

You, you tell me, I can't remember the exact timelines, but what was your go like when you were leaving either to, to route a hotter one or you were just moving on to the next town. Did you have a, a spiel you went through to let 'em down easy or what was like, you're in Bloomquist shoes, how do you, did you think about how to keep rooting him or did you, did you cut it hard

Gow: or he just basically, what

Dan: was

Gow: your gut?

Well, he, he just didn't stop with his other one and she found out, but no, you know, they've gotta be direct. Sometimes mores, I guess, you know.

Dan: Yeah.

Gow: Better

Dan: not have better not that crossover,

Gow: just down, [01:20:00] just down, down like Eastwood, like

Dan: just

Whitey: leave

Dan: down because I, you, I mean, you used to use your real name, I'm pretty sure.

I, I don't think, I can't remember. You were using, uh, m de plume when you, uh, when you attended national,

Gow: let's just say Jack, where you just get on the next bus. Right. And just

Dan: in,

Gow: in Northern America

Dan: in a way, we went

Whitey: in the,

Dan: Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. 44% we're having some travel stories here. Just chill out.

Whitey: Oh, well, I'm adding to them.

What I'm saying is that in Northern America, in some parts of Europe, the name Gowan is

Dan: reviewed. Oh, it is synonymous. Oh, look and revolted up. Uptempo. Uptempo, missionary and gowan are interchangeable. Interchangeable in the northern hemisphere.

Whitey: Okay. Speaking of uptempo missionary

Dan: strong cadence, good rhythm.

Yeah. Meat and potatoes,

Whitey: small teeth come face.[01:21:00]

Now speaking of ugly, let's talk about the ugly of the movie, not Gs. Come face. Um, g Man, anything for ugly?

Gow: Um, just only the whole bearded mud gut scene.

Whitey: Oh,

Gow: that I, I had to fast forward like I was like, I, I can't watch this whole thing, but the fact that she gets vengeance on him is sort of,

Whitey: it's not great.

But

Whitey: what about, 'cause I've got the same thing. I've got Burman just as in general

Gow: bad,

Whitey: but, and I've also got the metal dildo and the noise it makes when she sticks it in him. But I dunno if either of you caught this. He ties her up on the bed, face down. He rips her undies off, which would fucking kill. And then,

Gow: yeah,

Whitey: sniffs.

Gow: He

Whitey: goes a bit of DL. It's DL Maybe it's more alike. It's more, more alike of the [01:22:00]

Dan: episodes.

Laughing. Cri

Whitey: it, it made me think, it made me think it was that Morgan's game, he'd rip the undies and just dbl l Yeah. Check the time. It's 1:00 PM The sun's out. Sun's out, bums out. That's, see, that's why morgues hate sweet

Gow: so much. 'cause the summer's darkness

Whitey: too. Darkness. Yeah.

Dan: It's just b you can't have,

Gow: not a day,

Whitey: not a day in there.

But he, he actually sniffs her.

Gow: Yeah.

Whitey: And it is soft. Soft is just creepy. Yeah. Yeah. It's pretty bad's.

Dan: Holy.

Whitey: Anything, anything frog, Dan?

Dan: Yeah. Only one thing I I All of what you've said. I totally agree with that. That was so, so confronting the, the, all the burman scenes, it's, um, it's excellent, the revenge that she finally gets on him, but, uh, I, you guys know I'm, I'm good at a lot of things.

One of the things I'm good at is motorbike riding. [01:23:00] Um, I ride it like a man. Uh, I can tell you. There is no way in hell that Elizabeth Sander was riding her zip, zip at that speed with no helmet, no goggles on in the night in Sweden.

Gow: Yeah.

Dan: Yeah. Her whole eyeballs would've just frozen in her face. There is just no, you get called in Noosa riding at night, let alone bloody the middle of Sweden.

So that was ugly as fuck.

Whitey: Did you also, I, in the research I found that they said that the most difficult stunt was that last ride off down the cobblestones. Yeah. The wet cobblestone.

Dan: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah,

Whitey: yeah. They said they actually was super scared about doing that stunt because of the speed that she had to ride off at.

Yeah.

Gow: You know, it's a very slow turn on the bike.

Whitey: Yeah. It actually bounces around the corner of it. I was like, oh. You know, and I, look, I'm not growing two wheels at all. Um, I'm

Dan: firm. You comfortable, you're still spoken about on Sunset Jalan for your uh,

Whitey: yep. Yeah, absolutely. There's a picture of me up there,

Dan: scooter.

Whitey: Yeah. I'll still bear the scar boats, mate. I [01:24:00]

Dan: know Boats just gimme the keys.

Whitey: I didn't know boats and uh, I'd never seen an Indonesian go so quickly white as that guy did. He really thought that his brand new Scoopy was destroyed along with me with it.

Gow: Me and Mardi had to make a very quick bolt around that corner to hopefully find you.

How come with me just

Whitey: riding back up, you

Gow: know, see you mate. Nothing to see. You just got the color back. He was like, see you mate. Thanks. Thanks. See you in a week. Yeah. I I don't think he was having many good hopes of that bike coming back. Not wrecked.

Whitey: Ah, mate. There was no dramas. There was no dramas.

Quick fire. Dan, take it away

Dan: first. I'm gonna have a piss. Excuse me.

Whitey: Okay. Sweet.

Gow: 70 odd messages. Oh really? Yeah. Fucking thing. Yeah.[01:25:00]

What about arpa? Twiddle guy? He came on and scored those two tries. Yeah, he was awesome. Yeah. They did have a man down though. So Jock Madden in the 84th minute. Yeah. In the 78th and the 84th minute

Whitey: jock. What a fucking name.

Gow: Fucking jock.

Whitey: Oh Jesus.

The other morning,

the other morning I came down here and it was like, I don't know what time it was, but I think it must've been last Thursday. Maybe it was Friday, I don't know. Came down here and I was, I'd heard Bell just get up.

Dan: Yeah.

Whitey: And come out [01:26:00] of a bedroom. And I was in here and I, and I stood up and I bent over and I did the biggest fucking fart.

Like it was like a, it was like I really forced it out. I let them, I'd hear Bell from upstairs going, dad, what the hell was that?

Gow: So Moses had a field goal that's just missed. Say the penalty.

Oh, they've,[01:27:00]

they've been penalized for being offside.

Dan: Did they at Tides when?

Gow: Oh, he was a mile offside.

Whitey: Yeah. Yeah. 2220.

Gow: Yeah. He was a mile off side dude. He got penalized for racing up,

Whitey: standing to the left of the dny. Teagan the piss. That's Mo's life.

Okay. Are we good? Quick

Dan: fire. Hang on.

Whitey: Tell me when you're ready.

Dan: Where's me? Fucking quick fire. Ah, here we go.

Whitey: Quick fire Dan, take it away.

Dan: Yes. F it's quick fire. Let's rip straight in. First up, lookalike morgues alike. Anyone in the girl in the dragon tattoo that gave off morgues vibes. I saw a few. Uh, Daniel Craig.

I definitely think, oh, he's a midget, but I could pass for that kinda rugged, handsome, uh, and any style. I really enjoyed his, uh, I like the beanie, I like the scarves, I like the be jackets. I like the skinny jeans. I could've [01:28:00] run all of that in. What about the moles on his

Whitey: back?

Dan: The moles on his back?

Whitey: I

Dan: thought that

Whitey: very

Dan: was No, but yes, definitely.

Definitely got a few of those. Um, what's the Swedish dude's name that was in Millennium that didn't have much to do?

Whitey: Um, Kinnaman.

Dan: Yeah. Yeah. I reckon I've got a bit of Kinnaman in me as well, so Definitely. Yeah. I reckon you were

Whitey: more Kinnaman than Greg.

Dan: Okay. Yeah. I'll, I'll take that

Whitey: because I think Kinnaman is a bit taller.

Lankier. Uh, yeah, he's got a bit more of a, a bigger probos.

Dan: He does, he does,

Whitey: I think does a bit more kinnaman. Yeah. If you could grow, if you could grow a Goldie, you'd look a lot

Dan: like

Whitey: Kinnaman, I

Dan: reckon. No. Instead of the, the, uh, I basically grow dam's ass pubes on my face and it itches like a bastard and I have to shave it off.

So, no, not a, not a facial hair guy. But yeah, that, I mean, that was the, the obvious likes to me. G anyone that you noticed in that.

Gow: Oh yeah. Um, well, obviously bit at Mud Guts, like you've gonna, [01:29:00]

Dan: he's a dead

Gow: ring of a patent mob and his actions dead ringer. The, the, the, the Dbl L. Yes. Um, you, you also could do a very possible Tony Way.

Muddy. Muddy Hacker. Muddy Hacker.

Dan: Oh, muddy Hacker. Yeah.

Gow: Yeah, you could definitely do him. Pla They called him Plague. Plague. Yeah. Well, that's what is was a fucking plague. No, definitely my lookalikes.

Dan: Excellent. Uh, I'll accept all of those. Well done. Uh, five minute movie. What could one of the characters have done to make this a really fast movie?

Whitey. Was there anything that I guess Mau Blum could have, uh, not taken the information just said from an uncredited source or No. No, but he could have, uh, the whole Strom thing wouldn't have come about if his source was, uh, fact checked. So it's pretty poor journalism on ow. That's

Gow: what I was saying. If he, if he had a, yeah, he got set up and he took the bait,

Dan: so Yeah.

Gow: Yeah. Second class. Um, if his daughter didn't mention the, uh, I know [01:30:00] that wouldn't have been eight to five minutes, but his daughter mentions the Catholic versus

Dan: Yeah, that was, it was kind of nice that yeah, that little device of her being a, uh, a, a God botherer.

Gow: So if she, if she doesn't say that, maybe he doesn't get onto that and that could have,

Dan: yeah.

Gow: Ruined the whole thing.

Dan: Excellent. G. Excellent

Gow: G. Bad.

Dan: Uh, I'll accept both. Well done. Next up. Golden Ticket. Anything from this movie that is passed over into popular culture? God, nothing I can think of.

Whitey: No.

Dan: Uh, Whitey anything? Certainly nothing that we,

Whitey: apart from that time, I slipped and fell on a metal dildo.

Dan: Yeah, I said that. Yeah. You were vacuuming in the nude to Luke's wife at Movale Hospital. Yeah. Oh, that thing, that thing will haunt me at that. That whole scene is just horrendous.

Whitey: Yeah, it's bad.

Dan: Oh.

Whitey: Looks like

Dan: a, uh, excellent. No, I don't think there's anything other than nightmares that come outta that for us.

Uh, next up, pig face lick outs for the biggest douchebag character. Very hard to go past B

Whitey: No, he [01:31:00] can't go past him. No, that's, he's horrendous.

Dan: No, all the ven were fairly horrific, but I think he's the worst. He's

Whitey: the worst.

Dan: Saying a lot. Sorry. Yeah. Saying lot saying I'm saying a lot in a, in a cast full of shit bags.

Definitely. Uh, to be crowned the best is, is impressive. Uh, next up, Steven Segal running for a particularly poor show in of athletic prowess in this movie, Gman. Did anyone not impress you in the exploits of the gross motor variety?

Gow: Yeah. Blanc is falling down the hill when he walks out of the house.

Whitey: Yeah, he's,

Dan: again, I thought it was on character.

Yes, it was a bit, it was, it was on character, but

Gow: it's not, it's not a great play when he's, when he is stuck in the house too, like, you know, he's not he's not real stealthy then if he gets to put the knife back as well.

Dan: Yeah,

Gow: he makes, he makes it

Whitey: pretty Left

Gow: the door up.

Dan: He's a bit of a class. He's

Gow: pretty, I dunno.

Yeah. I dunno if there's anyone else really.

Dan: No, no. I thought that Ari, she had to learn a lot of the. The, uh, [01:32:00] the, the androgynous style walking. She actually learned how to skateboard for this film and then didn't actually skateboard in it. But, uh, the, uh, David Fincher just, just charged her with going off to learn a lot of androgyny style skills, including things like skating, so that she would look even more unique in her character.

And I think she did, but no, I thought, I thought she had, well,

Gow: he was trying to convince the studio that she was the right, 'cause obviously they'd gone with, they'd trialed others and not gone with her. He'd convinced her that convince the studio that she could play the Australian character. So he said to her, go out, get on the piss for the night.

Yeah. Come in, hung over like a dog and then, you know, show up like that and you'll look like the character we kinda looking for. Which is what she did. Yeah. And then convinced him to take her on. I was like, it's a great job. You pretty smart. Get, get on pretty good job.

Whitey: But, but he did. But he did say to her, G you need to vomit.

And I don't think you're a big vomiter.

Gow: No,

Dan: no. That's not your go. Gee, yes. Vomiting. No.

Gow: Yeah. The odd tactical. You have the tactical

Whitey: vomit. Yeah. But I, I [01:33:00] tactical, I can't recall many hangovers where like you've been

Dan: Yeah. You are not a spewer.

Whitey: You are not a spewer. Yeah. I'm a spewer

Dan: friend. Friend of the Programer

Whitey: Walk.

Dan: Sly Nixon Sloane's the best we'd be up there, but sly. Yeah. Sloane's

Whitey: the best. No, Sloane's the best. 'cause Sloane will spew and then get back on the piss.

Dan: Yeah. Animal.

Whitey: Yeah.

Dan: Uh, excellent. Uh, robot Centuries. Anything about this universe that you wanted to know more about? A bit more enough? The Robot Centuries in Aliens.

Whitey: The two movies? It's two sequels.

Dan: Yeah. Yeah. No, absolutely. And let's, we'll talk more about that in film school. Uh, finally White is Brad Pitt for what you would want to do to a sort of 12-year-old boy looking, uh, main character or Robin Pen Wright

Whitey: Robin Wright Pen.

Dan: Yeah. That what I said. Look.

Whitey: Okay. I'm gonna throw Right.

Right. And [01:34:00] we're gonna say, and we're gonna say that just knowing that the girl that played this girl is not the age she's portraying.

Gow: Yep. And she's also had a very tough

Whitey: Yeah.

Gow: Life and things happen to her. So,

Whitey: but, but I'm gonna go even, I'm gonna go left foot here now. The, the young Anita from back in the day on the island, the one that's takes, um, Harriet in the car.

Gow: Yeah.

Whitey: Driving the car. Yeah. Good short. He's gorgeous.

Gow: Mm. The girl she picks up in the bar that's in a bed,

Whitey: she looks like, she looks like the girl dark. A Yellowstone Casey's wife outta Yellowstone. The American Indian girl.

Gow: Yeah. She's a good sort.

Whitey: Yeah, she she's a good sort, salty.

Gow: Yeah.

Whitey: Very salty.

Gow: Quite rooney.

But

Whitey: yeah. Anyone? Dan, what? What's your thoughts?

Dan: Oh, it was an absolute smorgasbord for me. I'm not gonna lie. And, uh, I would've, I would've been happy to be part of any of the, uh, apart from the Buren scenes, but anything else, I'd be down.

Whitey: Yeah. Fair enough. I'd be down. You're a big fan of Red Merkins.

Dan: Uh, [01:35:00] that is quick fire. Well done gentlemen.

Whitey: Well done.

Uh, no snobs report tonight because our leading, uh, reporter, our Mha b Bloomquist of the Snobs is not on tonight. Listen to this G Man. Take it away.

Gow: I've actually got through most of mine.

Whitey: Okay.

Gow: Um, I will have one that you'll have Whitey, was that the film was not on Mors.

Dan: It's all right. We can cut him.

Gow: Okay. Um, I will say

Whitey: fucking noisy. Fuck

tv. He's like a retired. Yeah.

Gow: Um,

Whitey: fucking hell.

Gow: The, I will say that the film was released on December 20th, which is exactly where the novel begins in the first chapter, which is a nice little touch. Yep. Um, the two taglines, one I said earlier, what is Hidden in Snow comes forth in the T Thor. There's another one that's Evil.

Shall Be Evil Shall with Evil be Expelled. They're actually Swedish Proverbs [01:36:00] that still Skarsgard told to David Fincher. So he liked them and put them in as the taglines for the movie. Um. You'll probably know this wider, but I want to get, I wanna get a, a timeline of when you think the two main characters finally meet on screen.

Oh, is it like Borgs? What do you reckon? Is it like an,

Whitey: is it 56 minutes or an hour and six minutes or something?

Dan: Hour, five minutes. I reckon

Gow: you've gone 65 minutes. You've gone 66 minutes. Yeah. 76 minutes.

Whitey: Wow.

Gow: There are movies that are shorter than that.

Whitey: Yeah. That's

Gow: crazy.

Dan: Yeah.

Whitey: Yeah. Well that just leads more into what Morgan was saying about the, the, the strange

Dan: Yeah.

Difference

Whitey: structure. Yeah. So, Jake, that's it. Dan, you got anything?

Dan: Uh, standby. So Daniel, Greg was aware that he was James Bond at the time and he didn't want [01:37:00] qui to be anything like that. So he was able to put on some pies for the role. I don't think you noticed terribly much, but he did get to, uh, he come

Gow: up all the time.

Dan: He went to fat camp for that, which I, I thought was uh, was pretty cool.

Gow: Mm.

Dan: And uh, and Ru Mara, all her piercings were actually real piercings as well, not simulations. Yeah. All through, through her bosoms and lip and nose and ears and everything. All real.

Whitey: Yeah. She kept the nipple one in. Just in case they did the other movies.

Dan: Oh, wow.

Whitey: Yeah. So the others she took out. Yeah. But she kept she, 'cause she didn't want to get the nipple one piece to get You wanna do

Dan: that again? Yeah. Yeah.

Whitey: Fuck that.

Dan: We So the, on the travels. On the travels, the g and I knew quite a few fellas at our rugby club in Canada that, uh, had the Prince Albert.

Whitey: Mm, really?

Yeah.

Dan: Yeah.

Whitey: It was quite, it was a bit

Dan: of a thing. Was a thing.

Whitey: Yeah. Man.

Dan: Yeah.

Whitey: Zero, zero [01:38:00] interest. Yeah.

Dan: Yeah. We, I not, not my bag baby. But yeah, they were right into it and they had some big hammers as well, so it was, it was, uh, it would've, would've taken a, a fair bit of alloy.

Whitey: God.

Dan: Uh, but yeah, prince out, uh, f right in, if you've got a Prince Albert,

Whitey: send us a photo.

Dan: Yeah, send us, send us images. Dick, dick pics if you will.

Whitey: Uh, in, uh, in the director's commentary, Fincher discussed how they used a Merkin for Rooney Mara. Uh, so she suggests, she actually suggested it, uh, 'cause in the movie she's, uh, she's actually died black, but she's actually a natural redhead, uh, like in the books and stuff.

But she's died. So consequently she made a merkin that she wore and the merkin was red. So they asked morgues to borrow some of his pubes and they, uh, saturated a me for her. Which is quite interesting that she wear a [01:39:00] Merkin. Uh, also the filming the scene in the diner at the start, they were, they were, actually no one knew, but it was actually Ellen Nyquist, the daughter of Michael ny Yeah.

Was the girl behind the, the counter. So, ah, so they actually gave her a few extra lines to work with Daniel Craig, who was actually playing, obviously where dad's character was. Obviously he's now passed on Michael, which is a shame.

Dan: Yeah.

Whitey: Very show.

Dan: Um,

Whitey: yeah. Uh, what else? So in America, when the DVD was released, it was made to look like a pirate disc, uh, which I thought was pretty cool.

Dan: Ah, that's very cool. Mm.

Whitey: Yep. So also David Fincher loved the scene in the original film where Numi Rupe washes her mouth out with soap after her encounter. Oh yeah.

Dan: So gross.

Whitey: Yeah. But she washes her mouth out with soap, however, rather than use that, they instead have Mara look at the soap and then stick her fingers down a throat and vomit.

Dan: Yeah. Yeah. [01:40:00]

Whitey: Gross.

Dan: Oof.

Whitey: Uh, quotables. Anyone got anything? I used all mine in my,

Gow: yeah, most of 'em gone. Um, the one when she says, I feel bad the way with things left last time. And she goes, me too. And then tasers him.

Whitey: Yeah.

Gow: Was really good.

Whitey: And then he pisses himself. You see all the piss down the hallway. Yeah.

Fucking so good.

Gow: And then when she goes back and says, you're not putting enough into my reports and doing all of that, like, God, and he's shitting himself. And then she goes and stop visiting tattoo removal sites. Or I'll do it again, like right here. That was great.

Whitey: And he's fucked for the rest of his life.

That

Dan: his, oh God.

Gow: Dan,

Whitey: you got anything?

Dan: Uh, Hendrik Wagner. You'll be investigating. Thieves. Miers bullies. The most detestable collection of people that you will ever meet. My family.

Whitey: Yeah. It's so good. He's so,

Dan: so good. Gravitas.

Whitey: Gravitas. Uh, did anyone get a one degree of Kurt Russell? I didn't [01:41:00] actually look.

Dan: Oh, no

Whitey: I didn't. No, I don't think there is. I didn't. Let me have a think about that and I'll cut back to you. Daniel Craig, I believe is a no. Rooney Ma is a definite no. Uh, Robin, Robin Wright, off the top of my head, I can't think of it. Christopher Plummer would be a no. So yeah, Stella Scars guard might be a sneaky one, but I don't think so.

Dan: Mm. Can't can't think of it.

Whitey: Film school for F Wis. Daniel, take it away.

Dan: Yes. F wi I did allude to what we're gonna talk about this week, and it is really about the franchise starters that didn't get past the first date. So you can imagine the suits sitting around, the execs sitting in their pitch meeting going, this isn't just a movie.

This is the beginning of a fucking universe. And so they sell in the film with all, uh, hope that it's gonna be a, uh, a [01:42:00] absolute sequence of films, a la those shitbag marvel things. But uh, unfortunately it just doesn't go that way. So first Cab off the rank, of course, is the Girl with the Dragon tattoo. So as mentioned, Sony thought they were really launching an adult prestige franchise with this one, and instead they got this movie, which, uh, look, I won't blow my load.

Yeah, that what I think about it. But it was very grim. It was relatively expensive. And compared to the return on investment they got, uh, it just didn't, uh, didn't equate to them giving Fincher the keys to the car to make it a proper trilogy, uh, machine, which I, I think, uh, definitely Whitey Go and I would think is, uh, is is a real shame.

Um, next up though was a film I haven't seen, but I just, it is so notorious as a, uh, a complete waste of cash that was meant to be a multi film deal. And that was John Carter? John Carter Whitey. Did you actually ever watch that?

Whitey: Yeah, I did. And it is so bad. [01:43:00] Taylor Kitch stars in it.

Dan: Yeah. Taylor Kitching Collins, Mark Strong.

Willem Defoe with the big PP and Dominic West from The Wire. Yeah. Uh, Disney spent an obscene amount of money trying to launch this one as the next giant sci-fi saga, and they just got a title that sounded like a Sparky from Raben, and they wanted Star Wars and all they got was a very expensive, what the fuck was that moment?

So, yeah, I can't, I can't tell you from actually having witnessed it, but, uh, it is just among Hollywood circles just known as a absolute, it was like 260, 200 $70 million. Super expensive. Retarded.

Whitey: Well, it's a, it was

Dan: a

Whitey: graphic novel or a comic or

Dan: something like that. Uh, it's story, no story novel for sure.

And, uh, just, yeah, a variety. And I think the title too, like John Carter, he's gonna see John Carter not knowing anything about it. That's just a, a massive whiff. Uh, next one. Now, wa I know you speak highly of this. So the next one is Dread, which is, uh, not the [01:44:00] sly version, but the one with Carl Urban and Olivia Thrilly.

Lena Heady, um, a really good cast, a real hard r nasty, lean, awesome flick, but seems to have been, uh, unfortunately just left behind. It was meant to be a multi film deal when they did it, but it has since become very much a cult favorite.

Whitey: Yeah.

Dan: And people thinking, well, why didn't they go ahead and make more movies of this particular dread version?

But what, what do you think about that one, Marty?

Whitey: I think dread is great. A lot of fun. Mm-hmm. Uh, very, very violent. Yeah. Very reminiscent of the raid, where it feels like a video game. Good point.

Dan: Yeah.

Whitey: Where they're playing each level to get to the boss at the top.

Dan: Yep.

Whitey: I, I think it's a really cool movie, and it's a real shame that they have talked just like recently, like this year about there being a sequel, but it's, it's too far gone now.

I don't Yeah. They missed the boat, uh, Carl Urban or, uh, to to Be Dread Now he's probably too old. No. Yeah. But, [01:45:00] but that movie's a lot of fun. I think it's, regardless of the subject matter, regardless, forget about the Sylvester Stallone. I'm the Law. That's terrible.

Dan: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Awful. Awful.

Whitey: But the, the Car Urban Dread is really good.

Really

Dan: good.

Whitey: Yeah.

Dan: Really good. Did you see that one?

Whitey: That dread,

Dan: uh, dread.

Whitey: No.

Dan: No.

Whitey: Lot of

Dan: fun. All right. Uh, excellent. Next one up. Now, I haven't seen this one. Whitey may have, I don't think. Go did King Arthur. Legend of the Sword with Charlie Hunter, drew Law, Eric Barna. Do you mind Hun Sue? Yeah. Warn Brothers.

Uh, they thought they had another hit, and we're gonna take this one into a 6 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 film franchise. But, uh, the, the public hadn't even decided if they liked that one before the studio Studio was already building a Camelot Cinematic University headquarters, uh, that just didn't get off the ground. So no bueno.

Uh, why did you actually sit through that one?

Whitey: I didn't watch all of [01:46:00] it. Char look, I, I think Charlie Hamman Ham is a serviceable actor.

Dan: Totally.

Whitey: I'm not sure. He's

Dan: not a, he's not a, he doesn't carry,

Whitey: he's a leading guy. He's not a leading

Dan: guy. No, I agree. Totally agree. That was a big over reach,

Whitey: even though he played the main character in Sons of Anarchy, it was such a huge ensemble that that

Dan: show Oh.

And of really good talent throughout the ensemble, like around

Whitey: from the talent was unbelievable.

Dan: Yeah, I agree. He's just not,

Whitey: he's just not great.

Dan: He's good as a character actor. He's good in, um, some by Richie Bits good.

Whitey: He's really good in the gentleman. He's really

Dan: good. He's the gentleman. He's very good, really good.

The gentleman, but he's not, he doesn't have to carry it. No, no, no. Exactly. And he's got some amazing talent around him again. So, yeah, I think you're probably onto something there that it was a little bit light on. Um, next one was the Golden Compass. So Nicole Kidman, Daniel Craig, again, Eva Green, Sam Elliot, Ian McLin, who was voicing a giant bear.

[01:47:00] Uh, next massive fantasy saga was how the execs pitched it in the meeting. But, um, magic Animals, uh, Destin Child, big stars and huge books didn't add up to getting the green light to go into films two, three and beyond. Uh, did you have, do you have a history with that one G?

Whitey: No, it came out when I had the video shop.

Dan: Yeah. It's got, I can, I can vaguely remember

Whitey: it. And it was just not very good. It was just not really good. And it was like everyone's chasing the Harry Potter, uh, sort of,

Dan: well, that's

Whitey: it kind of. Well, they're all looking for

Dan: the next, yeah.

Whitey: It's just, it just wasn't very good. And the budget wasn't there. The effects weren't great.

It, the story's not ideal. It, yeah, it just wasn't good.

Dan: Yeah, agreed. Uh, any other movies that spring to mind where they had a big swing? They talked it up, but it just didn't eventuate.

Gow: Mate, there was, um, there was talk of North Shore too. Turn North,

Dan: north. Agreed. Yeah. [01:48:00] I mean, that was a travesty.

Gow: Turtle's revenge.

Dan: I don't, they didn't even scratch the surface of Rick Kane's absolute universe and, uh, and, and where they could have gone with that, with him and Turtle. I know. I mean, turtle was gonna take

Gow: over the, the board shaping shop.

Dan: Well, that's it. Who knows what board would retire? Could, yeah. I could've

Gow: done whole thing.

Dan: Yeah, no, a hundred percent agree. I think that's a good one. Look, are the ones that industry speak of the man from uncle with Henry Caval and Alicia movie that was meant to be a franchise as well, but, uh, just didn't, no one went and saw it so it didn't become a, uh, it's

Whitey: movie and the

Dan: Man's good

Whitey: movie

Dan: from seventies IP from the original TV show, but just never, never jumped on.

Uh,

Whitey: also, probably also Hurts that Isn't that got the cannibal, uh, is starring with Oh, is that with Superman? Henry Cavel. And it's also the, the Good sort Remember played the Line Ranger.

Dan: Yeah.

Whitey: Army Hammer. I pretty Army Hammer in it. Yeah. So that might've had something with it as well.

Dan: [01:49:00] Um, Aragon with Jeremy Es and John Malkovich, that was meant to go big.

Did not Mortal Engines with Hugo Wey. Do you know that one? Uh, Whitey,

Whitey: I've, I've, I haven't seen Mortal Engines, but I've, I do remember it came out when I had the video shop. Never saw it.

Dan: Yeah, never. No. Never kicked on Jumper with Hayden Christensen and Samuel Jackson.

Whitey: That's bad.

Dan: Yeah. Super bad. Again, was, uh, was hope for better things.

And the A team, the one with Liam Ness and Bradley Cooper and Shelter Ley was also meant to be a, the start of a franchise, but just never went anywhere.

Whitey: That, that was actually a little bit of fun. The

Dan: aam, I didn't mind, I didn't mind that film, but I didn't need to see any more. No

Whitey: one's

Dan: enough.

Whitey: One's

Dan: enough.

Yeah. One and done. I think that's, uh, smartly what was real. So yeah, that's the lesson. If it's, uh, a stack cast, big budget, a smug studio execs with a PowerPoint do not make a, a franchise every time. So sometimes you've got a universe, sometimes you've just got one movie and a room full of executives quietly shitting bricks [01:50:00] after the box office numbers comes through.

Film school for fw.

Whitey: Well done, Daniel. You've done it again. And we're staying with the second most heard voice on the podcast for Kickers credit song. We've had a few crackers the last, uh, month or so. House band's done a wonderful job. What have you got for us tonight, Dan?

Dan: Yes. Well, staying with this theme, I really, uh, I I wanted to get into character as a Sony Pitchers executive when they were pitching this film and how much, uh, how much De Niro Sony was gonna make out of Fincher and these multiple films.

So this one's called Prestige Trilogy, and it goes a little something like this. The suits rolled in the sunk to the boardroom floor. They said Marvels for kitties. We for grown up whores. No flying tin men, no magic piss just rape frost Nazis and award bait bliss. They [01:51:00] said This is classic. This is Chic. A franchise for adults who love dead girls and bleak.

Get Fincher in Let Misery Cook. We'll make bazillions from the Swedish Cash Cow books. They sniffed their own farts in a Sony suite. They said adult Harry Potter, but with incest and sleet, they thought they cracked a secret code, a billion dollar franchise in murder cabin mode. But FINRA made a Fincher film called As Piss and Sharp as Sin, but nobody bought tickets.

So they tossed it in the We're Gonna Out Marvel. Marvel for Depressed Cut. Who Read A Dragon Tat. A Groom? Rou Twat, and a bl Christmas release. Three films deep, all dressed in black. That was the big pitch deck. But the punters didn't dig it. They wanted Scarlets cans and Kate Branch as a we. Marvel sucks.

Massive dead dokey Cock. Yeah, no, Marvel is for cunt.[01:52:00]

Gow: Oh, morgues. And I do love how you stuck with your theme, but you also stuck with the not having the three setups in the song and you just went out and had plenty of different climaxes

Whitey: there. There's no, there was, there was no chorus. It's the first random kickass credit song. Random with no, it's all random

Gow: thoughts

Whitey: thrown, thrown

Gow: together.

Dan: I really liked that Silver Sun pickup song that doesn't have a chorus. Uh, that just goes and goes, and goes and goes. So that was my inspiration.

Whitey: It was a pastiche.

Dan: Was a pasti. I've been waiting, I've been waiting for this moment. Oh my life.

Whitey: Okay. Star of the show, uh, G Man, who you got? Mm. That's a tough one.

Gow: I'm gonna go, I'm gonna go with Rooney Mara. I

Whitey: liked her. I like to pause. It's hard to argue.

Gow: Yep.

Whitey: Academy Award nominee. Really

Gow: well. Yep.

Whitey: Yep. Dan, star of the show. Oh,

Dan: da David Fin for me, I really bought into his vision. I think he did an amazing job of source material [01:53:00] and a film that just had three versions that was quite widely seen as well, even by English language people, even though they were made in swing, he had a massive swing.

I think this is a great movie and, uh, and, and very highly featured in the rank of, uh, Fin's films. And I think that he was just, uh, he was just brilliant in what he was able to bring to the screen. Well done Mr. Fincher.

Whitey: Yeah, I, I agree with you Dan, but I'm gonna go with Tel Skarsgard Martin. Yeah. Good choice.

Good choice. Him. He's very good. This viewing for me, he was the guy that I was just transfixed with the whole time. I was like, man, you are nailing it here. Yeah. So, uh, so that's it. The rank bank. Now I've got a few here. Uh, I probably might need some help. Maybe not. Red merkins, metal dildos.

Trailer: Mm-hmm.

Whitey: Wards of the State.

Eight unwanted tattoos. [01:54:00]

Dan: It's metal.

Whitey: Metal

Dan: D days. Metal D days For me,

Whitey: I think it's gotta be metal DDoS, right? Bitted mud

Dan: guts. Yeah. Yeah. Peter. Mud guts is also excellent.

Whitey: Excellent. I think it's got head of studs. I think it's gotta be metal dildo. Alright, Jim, man, are you ready to go there?

Gow: Yeah. Ready to

Whitey: go open.

Okay. Uh, Dan, how many metal dildos are you giving the girl with the dragon tattoo?

Dan: Yeah. I love this film. I don't listen to you all that often. Whitey you, you try and talk me into shit that I end up trying and I hate. You talked me into watching this. It seems to become one of my favorite films and one of my favorite Fincher films.

This is a five for me. I, I, there's no weak spot for it despite its length. I just, I'm riveted the whole time. I really, really enjoy it. Uh, five out of five, well played all involved.

Whitey: Five out of five? Yeah. Wow. That's strong. Wow. It's a strong start. I should have gone last with you G Man. How many medal dildos for the Dragon tattoo?

Gow: Um, I concurred my good friend on the land, [01:55:00] uh, that there's no two hours, 38. I was like, that's a lot of investment, but it doesn't, it it keeps building the whole time. Doesn't, doesn't let you down. Really enjoyed it because there's so much background that they're trying to get through. I, I think it's a good pace throughout.

I do like the fact that it doesn't end where you think it'll end and then they, they move on to a little bit more. Um, I'm gonna give it four metal dildos. Four metal dildos. Uh,

Whitey: I, I, I. Sometimes it's a blessing and a curse to go last in the Rank Bank because I sort of have an idea about what I'm gonna get to it, what I'm gonna give the movie.

And then I hear Dan talk and I hear the G talk and I'm like, oh. And

Gow: it affects you.

Whitey: It does affect what I think. But you know what? Fuck it. Five.

Dan: Yeah.

Whitey: This movie is one of my favorite modern movies. I've watched this. Yeah, I agree. I watch this a couple times a year comfortably. Yeah. I, I really enjoy it even though it's so bleak.

I think the filmmaking is brilliant. The performances are brilliant. [01:56:00] It's, it's awesome. And if you have not watched it, then do yourself a favor and just put aside two hours and 40 minutes. One probably when the kids aren't around.

Dan: Yeah.

Whitey: I, I had pause it a couple times. Bell came down. I had pause it a couple times.

Uh, I know my list.

Dan: It's definitely one for watching in the observatory. It's not, uh, not in the family room.

Whitey: We've all got one of them. So G

Gow: Man, that's gonna rate this movie pretty good. It does. It rates it at 4.67. Wow. Metal dildos. Now there's quite a few

Dan: metal.

Gow: Yeah. Um,

Dan: groom.

Gow: Okay. There's 4.67 flowing mullets, eighties flowing mullets. Is that, uh, eighties? That's, uh, diehard. Nope. Eighties flows

Whitey: flowing, mullet, diehard.

No. Eighties flow.

Dan: Oh, uh, maybe, um, um, [01:57:00] lethal Webert.

Gow: Yep. Well done. Oh, good

Whitey: one. Yeah.

Gow: Good. Uh, four position. Very dangerous asks,

Whitey: that's

Gow: Raiders. Yep. Funnily enough. Movie from the same year. Legit drunk scenes. Oh, that's Warrior. Yep.

Dan: Warrior. What a great

Gow: magnificent Cox. Gone girl. No, that's

Whitey: Three Billboards. Oh, magnificent Cox.

Okay. Right. Priman. Okta. Oh, Braveheart. That's our be I think that could be our best one. Yeah. Preoc.

Gow: Oh. And, and, and the sandwiches. Prima

Whitey: is very good. Sandwich slaps. Every time I hear Priman Okta, it makes me Chuck.

Gow: So that's right above 4.58. Toss dwarves

Whitey: to, oh, that's

Gow: Wiffle. Wall Street. No,

Whitey: toss. Dwarves

Gow: is Lord of the Rings.

The 2000. Oh right. And it's right below 4.75. Steel Springs. Gallipoli. Gallipoli.

Dan: No. Gallipoli. What are your legs? Yeah.

Gow: So yeah, that [01:58:00] position Gene, that brings it into equal 18th.

Whitey: Okay. Wow.

Gow: Equal 18th spots.

Dan: Wow.

Whitey: Top 20. Top 20 top. Try that.

Gow: Well done.

Whitey: Yeah, well done. Jen,

Dan: can I ask a question?

Gow: Please?

Dan: I saw something in beta testing, uh, recently.

Has it been made available for the fw yet?

Whitey: It'll be made available this week. We have a rank

bank,

Dan: which will go

Whitey: live this week.

Dan: Get ready, fw all this crap that we talk about every week. You'll now be able to see in real time all these films and all their funny names in That's right. A on the worldwide web, on the on the line.

Uh, yes. I'm excited.

Whitey: Yeah, that should be good. Uh, next week, uh, we are going, uh, back to the eighties with, to of a genre we don't do very often, but I wouldn't say that it's a horror, but it's a scary movie of sorts. Uh, directed by the guy that brought us Leatherface, but is it directed by [01:59:00] him? We'll discover that as well.

Poltergeist. It was scary for its time. Oh, high, wasn't it? It was scary for its time. There's some great, there's some great parts to it. Yeah. I'm looking forward to, I'm looking forward to watching this one with Isabel. I

Dan: haven't seen that, but Oh, God. Couldn't even tell you. Yeah.

Gow: Yeah. I haven't seen it for a long time.

Whitey: Yeah, so Steven Spielberg produced it. There's a big rumor that says that he actually directed it. Toby Hoover was the director, but, uh, yeah. Craig t Nelson. Joe Beth Williams.

Dan: This mic's pretty good.

Whitey: Joe. Beth, we,

Dan: Beth.

Whitey: Oh, Joe Beth Taylor.

Dan: Ah, outstanding.

Whitey: So funny. Uh, it's gonna be fun. Uh, thank you for joining us, Daniel. Well done. Enjoy your trip.

Dan: Thank you, gents. Great film. Good. Laughs well played.

Whitey: Gee, man, well done.

Gow: Thanks.

Whitey: See we've done it again. See you in a week. Uh, do your [02:00:00] homework, Poltergeist, and please share to a friend, share to an enemy.

See you next week. Bye for now.